10 years since the liquid ban went into effect
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Taking nitro pills through TSA security screening is discussed in the following threads:
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TWA884
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TSA's one and only job is to screen for WEI — no more, no less — given current tech. If they are capable of determining that something is not WEI, then it should be allowed through. It's the airline's job, not TSA's, to enforce any of the (very few) applicable FAA regulations (e.g. re oxygen cylinders).
TSA should never refuse to screen something and never refuse to allow it through if it screening determines it to not be WEI. The end. Solves both problems easily.
There are some very rare instances where actual WEI — like compressed oxygen cylinders — is also medically necessary. For those, I'm okay with having some special provisions — namely, FAA's.
You want to carry a gallon of lube, a year's supply of nitro pills not prescribed to you, and 2 oz of gatorade in a 30 oz bottle? IDGAF, and the law doesn't allow TSA to either.
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Update in my TSA medical liquids (SFO etc) lawsuit:
Good news: judge granted my IFP ("I'm broke") motion and seal ("I don't want my finances on public record") — i.e. the issue I've been arguing in 1st & DC Cir, and previously to SCOTUS.
Bad news: judge denied me counsel & a hearing to discuss the case. So for now, I still have brief it. It's complex — multiple jurisdictions & events, circuit split issues, class action claims, etc. Plus lots of video & other evidence.
What it's about:
SFO incident / case page
I'm suing TSA to make them:
a) screen all liquids (etc) presented for screening without any questioning or disclosure about "medical necessity", judging how much is "needed", etc,
b) allow all liquids that pass screening to go through (your water is not a weapon),
c) pay for the damages caused by 10 years of this stupid liquids policy (which is in the billions of dollars, by a rough estimate), and
d) stop calling cops on people just for objecting to an illegal policy (and force cops to stop detaining people for that)
It's titled from the SFO incident, but I've documented >6 airports just for me personally (5 on video), which'll all be part of the same case.
How you can help:
a) transcribe my videos (or improve existing captions) using YT's caption-contribution service — make sure it identifies who said what, and includes objective descriptions of any visible activity;
b) donate (Patreon, Bitcoin, PayPal) — it takes a lot of time & work, for which I can't legally get compensated (Kay v Ehrler), and I'm broke (that's what IFP means); and
c) reshare this (G+, FB, Twitter).
If you know lawyers who'd be interested in representing me on this, please contact me privately. (Yes, I've already asked ACLU, DRA, & EPIC.)
Good news: judge granted my IFP ("I'm broke") motion and seal ("I don't want my finances on public record") — i.e. the issue I've been arguing in 1st & DC Cir, and previously to SCOTUS.
Bad news: judge denied me counsel & a hearing to discuss the case. So for now, I still have brief it. It's complex — multiple jurisdictions & events, circuit split issues, class action claims, etc. Plus lots of video & other evidence.
What it's about:
SFO incident / case page
I'm suing TSA to make them:
a) screen all liquids (etc) presented for screening without any questioning or disclosure about "medical necessity", judging how much is "needed", etc,
b) allow all liquids that pass screening to go through (your water is not a weapon),
c) pay for the damages caused by 10 years of this stupid liquids policy (which is in the billions of dollars, by a rough estimate), and
d) stop calling cops on people just for objecting to an illegal policy (and force cops to stop detaining people for that)
It's titled from the SFO incident, but I've documented >6 airports just for me personally (5 on video), which'll all be part of the same case.
How you can help:
a) transcribe my videos (or improve existing captions) using YT's caption-contribution service — make sure it identifies who said what, and includes objective descriptions of any visible activity;
b) donate (Patreon, Bitcoin, PayPal) — it takes a lot of time & work, for which I can't legally get compensated (Kay v Ehrler), and I'm broke (that's what IFP means); and
c) reshare this (G+, FB, Twitter).
If you know lawyers who'd be interested in representing me on this, please contact me privately. (Yes, I've already asked ACLU, DRA, & EPIC.)
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