Problems of crossing into the US for former citizens?
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I know a couple of US-born people who have successfully relinquished their US citizenship, and were not made to pay any money to the US as they were not renouncing. One of them says she does not get hassled when entering the US (due to ignorance of the rules) because her place of birth is a place which also exists outside the US, and it is just listed as that in her passport. The other was born in New York and has not been hassled either but he tries to avoid travel to the US.
I think that if you want to relinquish your US citizenship because you genuinely do not have ties to the US and would only visit for the same reason as a regular citizen of your new country, then you should do so without worrying about problems entering as a tourist.
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Yes, basically if you notify the consulate prior to getting your new citizenship it counts as an expatriating act according to the law. Relinquishing is any way you become no longer a US citizen. Renouncement is only a specific way to relinquish and is the one with the fees.
Here it is is from the horse's mouth:
http://travel.state.gov/content/trav...tionality.html
Here it is is from the horse's mouth:
http://travel.state.gov/content/trav...tionality.html
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While, the link you provided does not specifically state that there are fees involved, it also does not state that there are no fees involved. I haven't looked at all the code sections referenced in the link, but I am highly suspicious that you can renounce your citizenship at no cost. And I do not really see any difference between relinquishing and renouncing. Have you discussed this matter with a lawyer?
I can't confirm the accuracy of the tax lawyer advice that was relevant to the following situation, but at least a couple of tax lawyers working for or commenting about Tina Turner relinquishing US citizenship made representations that the IRS/Treasury compliance consequences were different for a relinquishing of US citizenship than for a renunciation of US citizenship.
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As with those who have a work history with State's OLA, I have no doubts that some relinquishing of US citizenship involves no fees being due for relinquishing citizenship. I also have no doubt that the consequences for relinquishing US citizenship are not a perfect copy of the consequences of renunciation of US citizenship. About the above, I have no doubt that current or former legal and/or national security-related staff working on such matters for State or other parts of the USG have this understanding too.
I can't confirm the accuracy of the tax lawyer advice that was relevant to the following situation, but at least a couple of tax lawyers working for or commenting about Tina Turner relinquishing US citizenship made representations that the IRS/Treasury compliance consequences were different for a relinquishing of US citizenship than for a renunciation of US citizenship.
I can't confirm the accuracy of the tax lawyer advice that was relevant to the following situation, but at least a couple of tax lawyers working for or commenting about Tina Turner relinquishing US citizenship made representations that the IRS/Treasury compliance consequences were different for a relinquishing of US citizenship than for a renunciation of US citizenship.
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So, would it be useful to ask the people at the US embassy in Nicosia what the difference between relinquishing and renouncing US citizenship is and how one goes about either (though I think I clearly understand the renunciation process and associated fees and tax requirements)? Somehow I have my doubts they would have any answers for me, especially since they couldn't even correctly renew my US passport 2 years ago.
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Of course that doesn't mean that people born here never renounce US citizenship.
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The only way you "relinquish" US citizenship without cost is if you are discovered to have committed fraud in acquiring it in the first place, or the US government decides to do what they have never done once in all of US history, and persuade a court that you have committed an "expatriating act," such as serving in another country's armed forces. "Relinquishing" in these circumstances is not voluntary.
If you wish to voluntarily lose your citizenship, "renunciation" is the only option, and with the latest revision to the consular fee schedule, it now costs over 2500 USD. There is no way to request to "relinquish" rather than "renounce".
If you wish to voluntarily lose your citizenship, "renunciation" is the only option, and with the latest revision to the consular fee schedule, it now costs over 2500 USD. There is no way to request to "relinquish" rather than "renounce".
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Which is understandable, given that the 14th Amendment confers citizenship automatically upon anyone (with very few exceptions upheld by the Supreme Court such as foreign diplomats or hostile forces) born on US soil, regardless of the citizenship of their parents.
Of course that doesn't mean that people born here never renounce US citizenship.
Of course that doesn't mean that people born here never renounce US citizenship.
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(Current policy and Action and Deltamar v. Rich (1991), are more stringent on the intent factor, but if you really mean to give up US citizenship then intent is clearly not the issue....)
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They've done it more than once; Vance v. Terrazas in 1980 and Richards v. Secretary of State in 1985.
(Current policy and Action and Deltamar v. Rich (1991), are more stringent on the intent factor, but if you really mean to give up US citizenship then intent is clearly not the issue....)
(Current policy and Action and Deltamar v. Rich (1991), are more stringent on the intent factor, but if you really mean to give up US citizenship then intent is clearly not the issue....)
Richards was a narrower case and in any event has been superseded by changes in both US and foreign policy. Canada no longer requires passport applicants with other nationalities to sign a renunciation statement, and US policy no longer seeks to use such statements as a basis for denying a U.S. passport.
So whilst in theory there are still other means to get rid of your US citizenship that don't involve a lengthy bureaucratic process and a 2500 dollar fee, in practice it's unlikely to happen unless you show up on YouTube beheading a western journalist whilst shouting "Allahu Akbar," in which case you're probably likely to lose more than your passport, and they may decide to let you retain your citizenship for the duration of your life without parole sentence in any event. Given the choice, most people, I believe would go for for the fee and form option, so whilst you are correct in the theoretical legal sense, in practice there is no alternative path to losing your citizenship other than renunciation.
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Yes, but it really depends on the nature of the trip and the details of the purpose. The U.S. does issue visas in the Spanish passports of Spanish citizens for a variety of reasons, not all of which involve an intent to reside in the US. Not all trips by visitors using a passport of a VWP country can use the VWP for admissibility to the US; and even if some such persons could use the VWP, some may not want to use the VWP.
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Honestly, If I wanted to go back to live/work I would just get a green card. Seeing as how I have living immediate family in the US. I can also leave and give up the residency and fiscal requirements much easier.


tential Spanish citizen so it would be an ESTA and not a visa.