'Dear America, I Saw You Naked'
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Its not the people, its the people in charge. Particularly when they explicitly go against the opinion of the people they represent.
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Quote: Originally Posted by telabadmanwot: Your country isn't as great as you may believe. And you certainly are not free.
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I like arguments like this.
What everyone seems to ignore is WHY a 'terrorist' wants to attack the USA or the UK or any other empire.
Federal policy of being racist arse0's for decades is the real reason. Your country isn't as great as you may believe. And you certainly are not free. There are many better countries, with healthier, more wealthy and more happy citizens. These countries are often ignored by terrorists, odd? The reality of America or the UK, does not match up to the media controlled image of two insolvent governments with oppressed and controlled people.
But that's not the point is it.
What everyone seems to ignore is WHY a 'terrorist' wants to attack the USA or the UK or any other empire.
Federal policy of being racist arse0's for decades is the real reason. Your country isn't as great as you may believe. And you certainly are not free. There are many better countries, with healthier, more wealthy and more happy citizens. These countries are often ignored by terrorists, odd? The reality of America or the UK, does not match up to the media controlled image of two insolvent governments with oppressed and controlled people.
But that's not the point is it.
So, to drag this back to the security aspect, you have countries that are reacting to a threat that doesn't really exist in any meaningful sense. The threat is aimed elsewhere. The response is not aimed at the threat. Who're the sheep in this equation? Until and unless the US and UK general population understands that they're not under real threat then both countries establishments will continue on their merry way towards emplacing systems that are designed to control and instill a sense of fear and willingness to be controlled. Security theatre certainly has a role: instill fear and foster compliance, but "security" is not part of the function of security theatre.
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The US (and UK) are not perfect, but better than any of the other five countries on three continents I have lived in and more than 40 I have worked in or visited. The current crop of terrorists want the whole world to be Moslem (or, at least, their radical version of Islam) and will kill anyone who stands in their way. It has little to do with racism (by the way, most Moslem terrorists are Caucasians - oh, that means "from the Caucasus mountains of Turkey, Iran, Armenia, Georgia, etc.", by the way) - or whatever YOU may THINK the reason is.
To your second point... I am not sure I agree. I think many of them believe they are fighting against oppression of Islam, not aiming to proselytise.
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The good news about this article is Mrs. Super finally got the message about these things and will opt out whenever she can.
Me? I have a chronic shoulder injury that only flares up around airport checkpoints.
Me? I have a chronic shoulder injury that only flares up around airport checkpoints.
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Blame it on the rain.
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The US (and UK) are not perfect, but better than any of the other five countries on three continents I have lived in and more than 40 I have worked in or visited. The current crop of terrorists want the whole world to be Moslem (or, at least, their radical version of Islam) and will kill anyone who stands in their way. It has little to do with racism (by the way, most Moslem terrorists are Caucasians - oh, that means "from the Caucasus mountains of Turkey, Iran, Armenia, Georgia, etc.", by the way) - or whatever YOU may THINK the reason is.
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Steven Colbert gave TSA a "wag of the finger" last night due to this article.
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And in another chapter of "You can always predict what the TSA will say":
http://www.latimes.com/business/mone...#axzz2srQahZ8H
Too bad the TSA has zero credibility; and that this former screener's stories match up with what we've observed during our gauntlets through the airports.
TSA -- the agency that lies and misdirects and makes stuff up!
http://www.latimes.com/business/mone...#axzz2srQahZ8H
Too bad the TSA has zero credibility; and that this former screener's stories match up with what we've observed during our gauntlets through the airports.
TSA -- the agency that lies and misdirects and makes stuff up!
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And in another chapter of "You can always predict what the TSA will say":
http://www.latimes.com/business/mone...#axzz2srQahZ8H
Too bad the TSA has zero credibility; and that this former screener's stories match up with what we've observed during our gauntlets through the airports.
TSA -- the agency that lies and misdirects and makes stuff up!
http://www.latimes.com/business/mone...#axzz2srQahZ8H
Too bad the TSA has zero credibility; and that this former screener's stories match up with what we've observed during our gauntlets through the airports.
TSA -- the agency that lies and misdirects and makes stuff up!
For example, the full-body scanners that create what look like nude images have been removed.
TSA officials said they would not pursue the allegations of misconduct that Harrington raised.
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Originally Posted by Lying TSA employee
For example, the full-body scanners that create what look like nude images have been removed.
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Of course, the raw scan return data can still be compiled into an image, just as it was before, but I'm not convinced that the machines still do so now that it's no longer needed; I think they just evaluate the scan returns and light up an LED on the indicator panel corresponding to any anomolies they detect.
As for "obscuring the image", that's a misrepresentation. There is no image displayed on the control panel, obscured or otherwise; ATR-equipped NoS units have a panel attached to them that shows a sketch of a human body with yellow squares indicating the locations of any anomalies they detect. But this is not an "obscured image" of the body any more than the Check Engine light is an image of your car's engine.
Of course, my inate paranoia has always led me to distrust TSA's assertions about these machines.
You see, they have always maintained vehemently that the machines did not and could not store or transmit the images they created. But they never said anything about whether the machines store or transmit the raw scan return data upon which the images are based. And that, I believe, is a distinct possibility.
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I think they store the raw data. Maybe they don't store it forever, but I think they store it (a) in case there is a terror event and they need to figure out if/how WEI made it through the checkpoint and (b) for quality control purposes.
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I am not entirely convinced of that. I don't trust TSA any more than you do, but I'm not sure that the machines actually create an image any more; rather, the ATR software just evaluates the raw scan return data.
Of course, the raw scan return data can still be compiled into an image, just as it was before, but I'm not convinced that the machines still do so now that it's no longer needed; I think they just evaluate the scan returns and light up an LED on the indicator panel corresponding to any anomolies they detect.
As for "obscuring the image", that's a misrepresentation. There is no image displayed on the control panel, obscured or otherwise; ATR-equipped NoS units have a panel attached to them that shows a sketch of a human body with yellow squares indicating the locations of any anomalies they detect. But this is not an "obscured image" of the body any more than the Check Engine light is an image of your car's engine.
Of course, my inate paranoia has always led me to distrust TSA's assertions about these machines.
You see, they have always maintained vehemently that the machines did not and could not store or transmit the images they created. But they never said anything about whether the machines store or transmit the raw scan return data upon which the images are based. And that, I believe, is a distinct possibility.
Of course, the raw scan return data can still be compiled into an image, just as it was before, but I'm not convinced that the machines still do so now that it's no longer needed; I think they just evaluate the scan returns and light up an LED on the indicator panel corresponding to any anomolies they detect.
As for "obscuring the image", that's a misrepresentation. There is no image displayed on the control panel, obscured or otherwise; ATR-equipped NoS units have a panel attached to them that shows a sketch of a human body with yellow squares indicating the locations of any anomalies they detect. But this is not an "obscured image" of the body any more than the Check Engine light is an image of your car's engine.
Of course, my inate paranoia has always led me to distrust TSA's assertions about these machines.
You see, they have always maintained vehemently that the machines did not and could not store or transmit the images they created. But they never said anything about whether the machines store or transmit the raw scan return data upon which the images are based. And that, I believe, is a distinct possibility.
Original: Naked image created, sent to someone leering at image in little room. Anomalies highlighted for person leering in the little room.
Now: Naked image created. Software simply transposes image's anomalies to screen on exterior of nudeoscope. Image still exists.
I really cannot see a complete software re-engineering that does away with the naked image entirely as that is what the nudeoscope is built to do - take naked pictures of people.