Is This Something New?
Oct 27, 2013 | 9:09 pm
#16
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Pre-check should be the rule, not the exception, regardless of whether one has given into extortion and paid or not.
Oct 27, 2013 | 9:37 pm
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I am sorry if I wasn't clear. There are 3 entrances to the checkpoints at DEN: one where the regular, non status people go thru (where the randomizer was located), a clearly marked TSA Pre-Check line (which the randomizer emptied to if they got the correct arrow), and a CLEAR line.
Also noted was a special door for all identified aircrew that bypassed all the lines and machines. It was manned by a TSA worker. They opened the door for those eligible and it lead right to the trains that take them to the 3 concourses.
Also noted was a special door for all identified aircrew that bypassed all the lines and machines. It was manned by a TSA worker. They opened the door for those eligible and it lead right to the trains that take them to the 3 concourses.
Oct 27, 2013 | 10:06 pm
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I am sorry if I wasn't clear. There are 3 entrances to the checkpoints at DEN: one where the regular, non status people go thru (where the randomizer was located), a clearly marked TSA Pre-Check line (which the randomizer emptied to if they got the correct arrow), and a CLEAR line.
Also noted was a special door for all identified aircrew that bypassed all the lines and machines. It was manned by a TSA worker. They opened the door for those eligible and it lead right to the trains that take them to the 3 concourses.
Also noted was a special door for all identified aircrew that bypassed all the lines and machines. It was manned by a TSA worker. They opened the door for those eligible and it lead right to the trains that take them to the 3 concourses.
Oct 28, 2013 | 2:52 am
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Benefit of all? Hardly. On my last flight, we had a whole host of Kettles that were sent over from the regular lines to precheck, which totally destroyed the advantage of precheck, given that the kettles didn't understand why they didn't have to remove their belts, shoes and coats, kept taking their liquid baggies out, etc. Leave it to TSA to F up the one good thing they've ever done. 
Oct 28, 2013 | 6:44 am
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are we sure it isn't just taking a picture of our fingerprint and logging it in to some giant database? If I touched the screen with a band-aided finger, would they allow that? Not that I am paranoid, and not that they don't already know where I am, what i am thinking and what I am planning to do, and to whom, I like to think I have managed to evade being fingerprinted...I'd rather keep some portion of my self un"databased"
Oct 28, 2013 | 7:01 am
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For all the negativity on FT, this is a pilot for a program which will hopefully work and benefit all. The "randomizer" means that there is no way to game the system. Neither the Officer nor the pax has any way of knowing which way they will be directed. Could be 10 in a row to the slow boat line and then 2 to pre-check or vice-a-versa 10 mins. later.
The goal is to get 85% of the traveling public into a pre-check type of screening. Presumably that means a shift in the allocation of screening lines from standard to pre.
GE or the promised TSA system, will get you pre-check by selection rather than randomizer, so you should get it more often.
The goal is to get 85% of the traveling public into a pre-check type of screening. Presumably that means a shift in the allocation of screening lines from standard to pre.
GE or the promised TSA system, will get you pre-check by selection rather than randomizer, so you should get it more often.
Since TSA says the administrative search does not begin until you place your items on the belt or present yourself for the WBI or WTMD, all one has to do "to game the system" is just walk away if the arrow points the wrong direction.
Oct 28, 2013 | 2:59 pm
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Benefit of all? Hardly. On my last flight, we had a whole host of Kettles that were sent over from the regular lines to precheck, which totally destroyed the advantage of precheck, given that the kettles didn't understand why they didn't have to remove their belts, shoes and coats, kept taking their liquid baggies out, etc. Leave it to TSA to F up the one good thing they've ever done.
Oct 28, 2013 | 3:19 pm
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If it points to the regular line and you dont go that way, you could end up getting more thorough screening.
Oct 28, 2013 | 3:20 pm
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There wasn't any mention of the randomizers or just shifting dozens of people into the Pre line with no special evaluation. That's probably why there's a lot of confusion at some airports.
Oct 28, 2013 | 3:38 pm
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Oct 28, 2013 | 3:56 pm
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The original announcement said BDOs and sniffer dogs would be used to select 'ordinary' folk for the Pre- line. IIRC, it also said <12 and >75 are also automatically eligible.
There wasn't any mention of the randomizers or just shifting dozens of people into the Pre line with no special evaluation. That's probably why there's a lot of confusion at some airports.
There wasn't any mention of the randomizers or just shifting dozens of people into the Pre line with no special evaluation. That's probably why there's a lot of confusion at some airports.
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