USA Today: Phoenix airport screening draws angry complaints
Nov 3, 2013, 8:48 am
#181
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In most cases a passenger with a prohibited item is given the opportunity to chrck the item, give to someone, return it to their vehicle, or other such options.
Why isn't this the case with weapons?
In regards to PHX I think all that was being asked was your opinion on what proper redress should be based on information publically available.
I would assume that TSA has policies in place for screenings that don't fit the cookie cutter format. Was policy followed in this case and if not should people not be held accountable?
Why isn't this the case with weapons?
In regards to PHX I think all that was being asked was your opinion on what proper redress should be based on information publically available.
I would assume that TSA has policies in place for screenings that don't fit the cookie cutter format. Was policy followed in this case and if not should people not be held accountable?
I have already given you the best answer I can on PHX, the situation should have been handled different, and there should have been proper redress given to the employees - the range of redress available to TSA runs from speaking to the individual, all the way to termination and cooperation on prosecution. What would be defined as proper redress would be determined at a higher level than I am, and would have much more information than I have.
Nov 3, 2013, 8:49 am
#182
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I was in a local chain pizza place in Massachusetts that advertised some lunch specials in five minutes or less or it's free. Mine was presented in nine minutes on a non-busy day due to clerk incompetence. I called the manager over, showed him the proof on my receipt and the clock, and he got huffy and asked: "What are you doing?!? TIMING us?!?"
Why, yes I was. You invited me to.
TSA claims to treat us with dignity, respect, and courtesy. If they could only consistently deliver that, there would be no issue.
Why, yes I was. You invited me to.
TSA claims to treat us with dignity, respect, and courtesy. If they could only consistently deliver that, there would be no issue.
Nov 3, 2013, 10:29 am
#183
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Weapons like firearms and explosives are covered by a different set of laws and regulations than say a pocket knife. As the objects capable of doing the most damage in an aviation setting, the introduction of more complex or stringent laws makes some sense.
I have already given you the best answer I can on PHX, the situation should have been handled different, and there should have been proper redress given to the employees - the range of redress available to TSA runs from speaking to the individual, all the way to termination and cooperation on prosecution. What would be defined as proper redress would be determined at a higher level than I am, and would have much more information than I have.
I have already given you the best answer I can on PHX, the situation should have been handled different, and there should have been proper redress given to the employees - the range of redress available to TSA runs from speaking to the individual, all the way to termination and cooperation on prosecution. What would be defined as proper redress would be determined at a higher level than I am, and would have much more information than I have.
Nov 3, 2013, 10:56 am
#184
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A basic overview of transport laws can be found here:
http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/usa.pdf
It includes the transport USC, and some other reference links.
There is currently some confusion in the public and questions/court proceedings regarding the carry of firearms in NY/NJ area as covered here:
http://cliffviewpilot.com/us-court-s...ort-terminals/
There are also some regulations that cover it, but they are essentially restating the existing laws on the books.
http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/usa.pdf
It includes the transport USC, and some other reference links.
There is currently some confusion in the public and questions/court proceedings regarding the carry of firearms in NY/NJ area as covered here:
http://cliffviewpilot.com/us-court-s...ort-terminals/
There are also some regulations that cover it, but they are essentially restating the existing laws on the books.
Nov 3, 2013, 11:19 am
#185
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A basic overview of transport laws can be found here:
http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/usa.pdf
It includes the transport USC, and some other reference links.
There is currently some confusion in the public and questions/court proceedings regarding the carry of firearms in NY/NJ area as covered here:
http://cliffviewpilot.com/us-court-s...ort-terminals/
There are also some regulations that cover it, but they are essentially restating the existing laws on the books.
http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/usa.pdf
It includes the transport USC, and some other reference links.
There is currently some confusion in the public and questions/court proceedings regarding the carry of firearms in NY/NJ area as covered here:
http://cliffviewpilot.com/us-court-s...ort-terminals/
There are also some regulations that cover it, but they are essentially restating the existing laws on the books.
Nov 3, 2013, 3:25 pm
#186
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If I bring my supersized bottle of shampoo to a checkpoint, I've violated TSA policy, but I've not broken any laws. If I bring my registered handgun to a checkpoint, not only have I violated TSA policy, I may have violated a law in my jurisdiction. (In my state, attempting to bring a firearm into the sterile area of the airport is a felony.)
TSA's observed policy has been that TSOs, being federal employees, are obligated to report to local law enforcement any violation of law they may observe. That's why TSOs report any suspected illegal drugs they find to LEOs, even though there's nothing in TSA rules that bars someone from having a couple of kilos of wacky weed aboard an aircraft.
Nov 3, 2013, 3:35 pm
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I think the problem is the distinction between an item being "prohibited by TSA" and "prohibited by law".
If I bring my supersized bottle of shampoo to a checkpoint, I've violated TSA policy, but I've not broken any laws. If I bring my registered handgun to a checkpoint, not only have I violated TSA policy, I may have violated a law in my jurisdiction. (In my state, attempting to bring a firearm into the sterile area of the airport is a felony.)
TSA's observed policy has been that TSOs, being federal employees, are obligated to report to local law enforcement any violation of law they may observe. That's why TSOs report any suspected illegal drugs they find to LEOs, even though there's nothing in TSA rules that bars someone from having a couple of kilos of wacky weed aboard an aircraft.
If I bring my supersized bottle of shampoo to a checkpoint, I've violated TSA policy, but I've not broken any laws. If I bring my registered handgun to a checkpoint, not only have I violated TSA policy, I may have violated a law in my jurisdiction. (In my state, attempting to bring a firearm into the sterile area of the airport is a felony.)
TSA's observed policy has been that TSOs, being federal employees, are obligated to report to local law enforcement any violation of law they may observe. That's why TSOs report any suspected illegal drugs they find to LEOs, even though there's nothing in TSA rules that bars someone from having a couple of kilos of wacky weed aboard an aircraft.
Nov 3, 2013, 6:11 pm
#188
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