Bombs
Jul 6, 2013 | 3:12 pm
#17
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You are correct. Nothing they showed on camera prepared the Airport Security Screeners to find one of those bombs or properly respond to a discovery of one. It sure would be interesting to see the "lesson plan" and the instructional objectives. It was probably fun for most Airport Security Screeners present and the guys actually blowing up things likely kept their skill set up.
Can someone remind me. Has TSA discovered any bomb or IED at a security checkpoint?
Can someone remind me. Has TSA discovered any bomb or IED at a security checkpoint?
Jul 7, 2013 | 11:24 am
#18
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OOOH this thread is a great place to share some of my favourite furrin' links.
Can one make a bomb using items available in the duty free and/or airside shops?
http://www.wdr.de/tv/quarks//sendung...4ECAAC6B3303DD (Sorry, INK, no captions but there is none needed - basically the translation is BOOM)
http://www.wdr.de/tv/quarks/sendungs...003_terror.jsp
Can one bring items through the superduper scanners which can then be turned into a bomb? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrKvweNugnQ (I lost the link with English subtitles but my summary is here http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/check...l#post19455121)
(Sorry, INK, no subtitles Austrian-English, but here is the short clip - basically the translation is BOOM) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usffefz2wIs
So, essentially, the scanners and the liquid ban won't necessarily prevent someone creating a bomb. Remind me again, OP, why the US is using scanners as primary in so many airports?
(Both of these programs were designed to show the absurdity of relying on the scanners, and on the liquid ban)
Can one make a bomb using items available in the duty free and/or airside shops?
http://www.wdr.de/tv/quarks//sendung...4ECAAC6B3303DD (Sorry, INK, no captions but there is none needed - basically the translation is BOOM)
http://www.wdr.de/tv/quarks/sendungs...003_terror.jsp
Can one bring items through the superduper scanners which can then be turned into a bomb? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrKvweNugnQ (I lost the link with English subtitles but my summary is here http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/check...l#post19455121)
(Sorry, INK, no subtitles Austrian-English, but here is the short clip - basically the translation is BOOM) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usffefz2wIs
So, essentially, the scanners and the liquid ban won't necessarily prevent someone creating a bomb. Remind me again, OP, why the US is using scanners as primary in so many airports?
(Both of these programs were designed to show the absurdity of relying on the scanners, and on the liquid ban)
Jul 7, 2013 | 12:45 pm
#19
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OOOH this thread is a great place to share some of my favourite furrin' links.
Can one make a bomb using items available in the duty free and/or airside shops?
http://www.wdr.de/tv/quarks//sendung...4ECAAC6B3303DD (Sorry, INK, no captions but there is none needed - basically the translation is BOOM)
http://www.wdr.de/tv/quarks/sendungs...003_terror.jsp
Can one bring items through the superduper scanners which can then be turned into a bomb? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrKvweNugnQ (I lost the link with English subtitles but my summary is here http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/check...l#post19455121)
(Sorry, INK, no subtitles Austrian-English, but here is the short clip - basically the translation is BOOM) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usffefz2wIs
So, essentially, the scanners and the liquid ban won't necessarily prevent someone creating a bomb. Remind me again, OP, why the US is using scanners as primary in so many airports?
(Both of these programs were designed to show the absurdity of relying on the scanners, and on the liquid ban)
Can one make a bomb using items available in the duty free and/or airside shops?
http://www.wdr.de/tv/quarks//sendung...4ECAAC6B3303DD (Sorry, INK, no captions but there is none needed - basically the translation is BOOM)
http://www.wdr.de/tv/quarks/sendungs...003_terror.jsp
Can one bring items through the superduper scanners which can then be turned into a bomb? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrKvweNugnQ (I lost the link with English subtitles but my summary is here http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/check...l#post19455121)
(Sorry, INK, no subtitles Austrian-English, but here is the short clip - basically the translation is BOOM) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usffefz2wIs
So, essentially, the scanners and the liquid ban won't necessarily prevent someone creating a bomb. Remind me again, OP, why the US is using scanners as primary in so many airports?
(Both of these programs were designed to show the absurdity of relying on the scanners, and on the liquid ban)
The Google translator worked good on the article.
I had seen the fat guy in the scanner video before.
Bottom line, a nefarious person can commit nefarious acts if they really want to do so.
Jul 7, 2013 | 6:18 pm
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Jul 8, 2013 | 6:17 am
#21
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They actually don't use bombs at the "training"; they use stupidity alarms. These are excellent devices for such training because they can be placed at the range without any danger or need for special handling. It's only when the TSA clerks are assembled to watch that the stupidity alarms overload and explode.
OK, now after having watched the clip, I am convinced that Emily Schmidt could also make the detector explode.
OK, now after having watched the clip, I am convinced that Emily Schmidt could also make the detector explode.
Last edited by Carl Johnson; Jul 8, 2013 at 6:41 am
Jul 15, 2013 | 3:51 pm
#22
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Point taken. Boom bad. No boom allowed on plane.
So, TSA employees get a lovely demonstration of how powerful explosives can be. Useful to drive the point home, I suppose, since anyone who has no military or civilian explosives experience doesn't necessarily know exactly how powerful various explosives are in the wild.
Does this training include an explanation of the concept of cross-contamination, so TSOs know that they can swab just one item in a bag, not every little piece, to test for explosives residue?
Does this training include mention of the fact that there is no liquid explosive that can be mixed airside or airborne without laboratory conditions that has the slightest prayer of bringing down a plane?
Does this training include more extensive instruction in the detection and recognition of explosives, i.e. the ability to tell whether you're looking at C4, toothpaste, or cake frosting?
Does this training provide any actual training at all, or is it simply a testosterone-fueled demonstration of various things that go boom?
So, TSA employees get a lovely demonstration of how powerful explosives can be. Useful to drive the point home, I suppose, since anyone who has no military or civilian explosives experience doesn't necessarily know exactly how powerful various explosives are in the wild.
Does this training include an explanation of the concept of cross-contamination, so TSOs know that they can swab just one item in a bag, not every little piece, to test for explosives residue?
Does this training include mention of the fact that there is no liquid explosive that can be mixed airside or airborne without laboratory conditions that has the slightest prayer of bringing down a plane?
Does this training include more extensive instruction in the detection and recognition of explosives, i.e. the ability to tell whether you're looking at C4, toothpaste, or cake frosting?
Does this training provide any actual training at all, or is it simply a testosterone-fueled demonstration of various things that go boom?
Jul 15, 2013 | 3:56 pm
#23
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You are correct. Nothing they showed on camera prepared the Airport Security Screeners to find one of those bombs or properly respond to a discovery of one. It sure would be interesting to see the "lesson plan" and the instructional objectives. It was probably fun for most Airport Security Screeners present and the guys actually blowing up things likely kept their skill set up.
Can someone remind me. Has TSA discovered any bomb or IED at a security checkpoint?
Can someone remind me. Has TSA discovered any bomb or IED at a security checkpoint?
Jul 15, 2013 | 6:34 pm
#28
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TSA has touted bomb parts found in checked luggage as a big catch. You'll recall the mentally unstable man found taking bombing making material to Jamaica to blow up tree stumps for his friends.Give us more information else you end up looking like you don't have a clue as to what you are talking about.
Jul 15, 2013 | 8:25 pm
#30
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Originally Posted by eyecue
BTW you are are not correct on the assumption that no liquid can be mixed in a non laboratory setting to make an explosive.
Originally Posted by eyecue
You are also not correct in the assumption that looking at c4, toothpaste or cake frosting is a fail safe method of detection.
Oh, you can't, since you (meaning TSA, not you personally) missed FIVE POUNDS of it, unbidden, undisguised, still in its original government wrapper marked C4 HIGH EXPLOSIVE.