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JoeBas Jun 14, 2013 10:40 am


Originally Posted by eyecue (Post 20898203)
Anyone with impaired reality issues could believe that it is real. Age is not a boundary. Reduced mental capacity is and it would be disruptive on the plane to say the least.

Holy flying spaghetti monsters are you really saying that the determination on what should be allowed through your checkpoint is what the LEAST RATIONAL PERSON on any potential flight would possibly find scary and disruptive????

Wow. Just... wow. Wow.

*speechless*

Boggie Dog Jun 14, 2013 11:06 am


Originally Posted by JoeBas (Post 20923029)
Holy flying spaghetti monsters are you really saying that the determination on what should be allowed through your checkpoint is what the LEAST RATIONAL PERSON on any potential flight would possibly find scary and disruptive????

Wow. Just... wow. Wow.

*speechless*

A practical demonstration of why TSA is AFU.

ScatterX Jun 14, 2013 6:53 pm


Originally Posted by JoeBas (Post 20923029)
Holy flying spaghetti monsters are you really saying that the determination on what should be allowed through your checkpoint is what the LEAST RATIONAL PERSON on any potential flight would possibly find scary and disruptive????

Wow. Just... wow. Wow.

*speechless*

Flying spaghetti monsters would also be disruptive. TSA should obviously spend another $100 Billion to develop scanners to examine their naked noodles. @:-)

Zero disruption! Think of the children.

Caradoc Jun 16, 2013 9:06 pm


Originally Posted by ScatterX
TSA should obviously spend another $100 Billion to develop scanners to examine their naked noodles.

Dammit. Now they're going to do it and claim it's because "that's what the public wants," just because you said they "should."

Darkumbra Jun 17, 2013 12:33 pm

Note to self: do not bring my "heavy duty sword cane" with me when traveling...
Google is your friend.

mikeef Jun 17, 2013 1:40 pm


Originally Posted by ScatterX (Post 20925586)
Flying spaghetti monsters would also be disruptive. TSA should obviously spend another $100 Billion to develop scanners to examine their naked noodles. @:-)

Zero disruption! Think of the children.

Hey, hey, let's keep religion out of it.



:D

Mike

eyecue Jun 18, 2013 8:52 am


Originally Posted by chollie (Post 20899385)
eyecue, do you know what the local Denver ordinance about anything remotely resembling weapons is? And why TSA personnel at DEN are charged with enforcing it? Shouldn't violators of local statutes (like municipal rules governing photography, for example) be turned over to city LEs for handling?

Or do you mean the DEN FSD has a special interpretation of TSA rules that prohibits even a fantasy device or a photo on a T-shirt? If that's the case, is there a way for pax to check ahead of time to prepare for 'extra-strict' rules that are not documented on the TSA website and are only enforced at a particular airport?

I can not find it online. If I run across it again at work I will post it. This reminds me of when I went across the border and tried to bring something back that was not allowed in CA and ICE would not allow it. Federal was ok. State was not and ICE enforced it.

eyecue Jun 18, 2013 8:54 am


Originally Posted by JoeBas (Post 20923029)
Holy flying spaghetti monsters are you really saying that the determination on what should be allowed through your checkpoint is what the LEAST RATIONAL PERSON on any potential flight would possibly find scary and disruptive????

Wow. Just... wow. Wow.

*speechless*

Obviously you did not read this whole thread. Take the example of someone yelling fire in a crowded theater, are people going to evalute the status of the person yelling it or are they going to panic?

WillCAD Jun 18, 2013 9:31 am


Originally Posted by eyecue (Post 20943821)
Obviously you did not read this whole thread. Take the example of someone yelling fire in a crowded theater, are people going to evalute the status of the person yelling it or are they going to panic?

Another nice straw man. TSA must hold classes on straw man debate techniques; too bad it seems to be the only part of their basic training that has any sort of adhesion whatsoever.

There was absolutely nothing remotely threatening about this device. It's a cane shaped like a lightsaber. It's a clear blueish-tinted lucite rod with a stylized handle. It causes no fear, it inspires no panic, and there is no "fire in a crowded theater" argument. Because lightsabers don't exist.

So, a more apt description would be someone shouting "DRAGON!" (or perhaps in this case, "OH NO! THE RANCOR!" would be more appropriate) in a crowded theater. Are people going to evaluate the status of the person yelling it or are they going to panic?

chollie Jun 18, 2013 9:41 am


Originally Posted by eyecue (Post 20943801)
I can not find it online. If I run across it again at work I will post it. This reminds me of when I went across the border and tried to bring something back that was not allowed in CA and ICE would not allow it. Federal was ok. State was not and ICE enforced it.

Thanks.

In the parallel example you provide (ICE enforcing CA law), could you have known about the CA law ahead of time? If I, for example, didn't live in CA, didn't know CA laws, but was returning across the border, were there any signs warning me that I couldn't take something forbidden in CA? Or do I find out when they confiscate it?

How would I, a passenger who lives in CA, know what the special DEN restrictions are (no light sabers) that will be enforced by TSA? Shouldn't I be able to find this all out (local city or FSD restrictions enforced by federal TSOs) on the TSA website? I've never researched municipal laws before flying and I don't know how to check on special FSD super-restrctions (although I think that information should be available to pax so they can prepare).

Are the special restrictive DEN/Denver rules that TSA enforces even displayed on signs at the checkpoint? Or is confiscation the only way the pax finds out?

I would suspect that very few passengers go to an airport expecting TSA to enforce special FSD rules or municipal rules that apply only at that airport.

I appreciate you looking at the website. It does bother me that even an experienced (and not lowest rank) TSO like yourself can't find information on the website. If you can't, how on earth are ordinary passengers supposed to?

sinanju Jun 18, 2013 9:59 am


Originally Posted by eyecue (Post 20943821)
Obviously you did not read this whole thread. Take the example of someone yelling fire in a crowded theater, are people going to evalute the status of the person yelling it or are they going to panic?

Obviously, you can't get past the ridiculousness of your own suggestion.

If someone yelled "Oh my god! It's Chewbacca! And he has a lightsaber!" in a crowded theater the audience is going to tell that person to sit down and shut up, or get out.

Or are you suggesting that someone is going to be inspired to yell "Fire!" on an airplane or in a theater if they see a large man with a blue cane?

Admitting that you can't rationally defend this is the first step to recovery....

We actually have an example of how flyers are going to react to a delusional passenger just this week. Nobody panicked and the person was subdued... all without the intervention of the TSA or a FAM.

CavePearl Jun 18, 2013 12:03 pm


Originally Posted by mikeef (Post 20939104)
Hey, hey, let's keep religion out of it.



:D

Mike

hehe. I thought I was alone in pasta adoration. ;)

loops Jun 18, 2013 12:12 pm


Originally Posted by CavePearl (Post 20945264)
hehe. I thought I was alone in pasta adoration. ;)

The pastafarians are everywhere!

JoeBas Jun 18, 2013 1:10 pm


Originally Posted by eyecue (Post 20943821)
Obviously you did not read this whole thread. Take the example of someone yelling fire in a crowded theater, are people going to evalute the status of the person yelling it or are they going to panic?

Seriously? What are you, four?

Fires exist. LIGHTSABERS DON'T.

If this was someone bring a toy gun on board, you MIGHT have a case. MIGHT, depending on the realistic appearance or lack thereof to a real gun. Maybe.

THIS. IS. A. PLASTIC. CANE. IT IS NOT EVEN A CHILD'S PLAYTHING!

I find it hard to believe that you're not being intentionally argumentative and obtuse for trolling and entertainment purposes.

JoeBas Jun 18, 2013 1:11 pm


Originally Posted by CavePearl (Post 20945264)
hehe. I thought I was alone in pasta adoration. ;)

Seeing as how I'm at work about 5 miles from HOU right now, you can't even claim local pasta primacy. ;)


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