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Caradoc Jun 10, 2013 4:12 pm


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 20898562)
I think you're giving TSA to much credit.

WAY too much credit. It's painfully obvious that the "weapon" status was a pathetic excuse for a TSA employee's attempted theft of what is admittedly a pretty cool cane.

They probably didn't realize exactly who Mr. Mayhew was.

chollie Jun 10, 2013 5:41 pm

eyecue, do you know what the local Denver ordinance about anything remotely resembling weapons is? And why TSA personnel at DEN are charged with enforcing it? Shouldn't violators of local statutes (like municipal rules governing photography, for example) be turned over to city LEs for handling?

Or do you mean the DEN FSD has a special interpretation of TSA rules that prohibits even a fantasy device or a photo on a T-shirt? If that's the case, is there a way for pax to check ahead of time to prepare for 'extra-strict' rules that are not documented on the TSA website and are only enforced at a particular airport?

WillCAD Jun 10, 2013 6:35 pm


Originally Posted by eyecue (Post 20898151)
As I alluded to in my first post on this thread, Denver has a law that is much more restrictive about items that resemble weapons and the allowance of them to airplanes. Scare factor involves belt buckles that look like grenades, belts that have bullet looking adornments, realistic replicas of any kind of weapon etc. Denver law would go so far as to say that nerf guns, squirt guns, etc are not allowed at all.

A) TSA is not tasked with - nor empowered to - enforce state or local laws.

B) A lightsaber cane does not resemble any sort of weapon, because lightsabers are not real. There is no scare factor involved at all, because there is no such thing as a lightsaber, therefore a lightsaber cane does not resemble a weapon.

Are soccer balls prohibited because they resemble the Death Star?

chollie Jun 10, 2013 6:56 pm


Originally Posted by WillCAD (Post 20899611)
A) TSA is not tasked with - nor empowered to - enforce state or local laws.

B) A lightsaber cane does not resemble any sort of weapon, because lightsabers are not real. There is no scare factor involved at all, because there is no such thing as a lightsaber, therefore a lightsaber cane does not resemble a weapon.

Are soccer balls prohibited because they resemble the Death Star?

Maybe not, but a toy Death Star might get extra scrutiny...

tkey75 Jun 10, 2013 7:05 pm

I was starting to second guess myself about light sabers and looked it up in wookiepedia. Looks like they do exist, after all. The interwebz say so.

LtKernelPanic Jun 10, 2013 7:17 pm

I wonder how that situation would have turned out had it been a ordinary citizen and not a famous actor with a large twitter following. Actually I'm 99.9% sure I know how it'd have turned out.

Schmurrr Jun 10, 2013 7:45 pm

What bothers me is the idea that TSA took a man's cane away from him even for five minutes. TSA HAS to figure out how to stop putting people with physical limitations at risk of a fall or worse.

ScatterX Jun 10, 2013 8:44 pm


Originally Posted by WillCAD (Post 20899611)
Are soccer balls prohibited because they resemble the Death Star?

This entire thread could be boiled down to this one question and the inevitable response:


Originally Posted by noclue
TSA must ensure that it is 100% impossible for anyone to think that an item might possibly resemble something, even if that something wasn't a threat anyway. We can't stop at real threats, we need to take care of imaginary ones too. Besides, we have a unique ability to understand what crazy people think when they see a soccer ball (or plastic things). We call this gift SPOT.


sinanju Jun 11, 2013 7:52 am

Mayhew was interviewed on CNN this morning. Turns out social media did play a roll and the path from it to the farkwits was shorter than thought. He took the picture, typed up the tweet, then as he hit the "send" button stated to them, "I'm tweeting this." Suddenly the dangerous weapon they had assured him he was not going home with turned back into a cane and it was returned.

Maxwell Smart Jun 11, 2013 10:33 am


Originally Posted by eyecue (Post 20896287)
The issue was and is the legitamacy of the cane as an assistive device for a disability. TSA weighs that against the probability that it can be swung to hurt someone.

[snip]

In this case the fact that it was a cane was the over riding factor to let it go.

Interestingly, in the CNN interview Mayhew states that TSA had already determined that they were NOT going to let him take it, and told him "You're not taking this home, it's not going back to Dallas."

Then suddenly they reverse course and allow it after he mentioned Twitter. And they also specifically asked him to tweet that the cane had been given back to him.

So how does this square with your above comment?

Caradoc Jun 11, 2013 11:42 am


Originally Posted by sinanju
Suddenly the dangerous weapon they had assured him he was not going home with turned back into a cane and it was returned.

Just like their magic garbage cans convert dangerous binary liquid explosives into harmless water...

Paul56 Jun 11, 2013 11:45 am

Hmm, I may have to leave my hands behind on my next flight
considering I have some serious... ahem... martial arts skills.

How will TSA decide if I can fly or not with my credible weapons?

LOL

Boggie Dog Jun 11, 2013 12:53 pm


Originally Posted by Paul56 (Post 20903846)
Hmm, I may have to leave my hands behind on my next flight
considering I have some serious... ahem... martial arts skills.

How will TSA decide if I can fly or not with my credible weapons?

LOL

Depends on the scary factor.

Apparently that is more important to TSA than actual threats.

tkey75 Jun 11, 2013 9:52 pm


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 20904305)
Depends on the scary factor.

Apparently that is more important to TSA than actual threats.

Just as it always has been. They can't actually make you be safe, but as long as the people feel safe, its a job well done.

mikeef Jun 12, 2013 12:31 pm


Originally Posted by tkey75 (Post 20907061)
Just as it always has been. They can't actually make you be safe, but as long as the people feel safe, its a job well done.

It has occurred to me that some people should never leave their own houses, never mind fly on an airplane. It must suck to live with so much fear all the time.

Mike


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