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Originally Posted by Boggie Dog
(Post 20898562)
I think you're giving TSA to much credit.
They probably didn't realize exactly who Mr. Mayhew was. |
eyecue, do you know what the local Denver ordinance about anything remotely resembling weapons is? And why TSA personnel at DEN are charged with enforcing it? Shouldn't violators of local statutes (like municipal rules governing photography, for example) be turned over to city LEs for handling?
Or do you mean the DEN FSD has a special interpretation of TSA rules that prohibits even a fantasy device or a photo on a T-shirt? If that's the case, is there a way for pax to check ahead of time to prepare for 'extra-strict' rules that are not documented on the TSA website and are only enforced at a particular airport? |
Originally Posted by eyecue
(Post 20898151)
As I alluded to in my first post on this thread, Denver has a law that is much more restrictive about items that resemble weapons and the allowance of them to airplanes. Scare factor involves belt buckles that look like grenades, belts that have bullet looking adornments, realistic replicas of any kind of weapon etc. Denver law would go so far as to say that nerf guns, squirt guns, etc are not allowed at all.
B) A lightsaber cane does not resemble any sort of weapon, because lightsabers are not real. There is no scare factor involved at all, because there is no such thing as a lightsaber, therefore a lightsaber cane does not resemble a weapon. Are soccer balls prohibited because they resemble the Death Star? |
Originally Posted by WillCAD
(Post 20899611)
A) TSA is not tasked with - nor empowered to - enforce state or local laws.
B) A lightsaber cane does not resemble any sort of weapon, because lightsabers are not real. There is no scare factor involved at all, because there is no such thing as a lightsaber, therefore a lightsaber cane does not resemble a weapon. Are soccer balls prohibited because they resemble the Death Star? |
I was starting to second guess myself about light sabers and looked it up in wookiepedia. Looks like they do exist, after all. The interwebz say so.
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I wonder how that situation would have turned out had it been a ordinary citizen and not a famous actor with a large twitter following. Actually I'm 99.9% sure I know how it'd have turned out.
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What bothers me is the idea that TSA took a man's cane away from him even for five minutes. TSA HAS to figure out how to stop putting people with physical limitations at risk of a fall or worse.
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Originally Posted by WillCAD
(Post 20899611)
Are soccer balls prohibited because they resemble the Death Star?
Originally Posted by noclue
TSA must ensure that it is 100% impossible for anyone to think that an item might possibly resemble something, even if that something wasn't a threat anyway. We can't stop at real threats, we need to take care of imaginary ones too. Besides, we have a unique ability to understand what crazy people think when they see a soccer ball (or plastic things). We call this gift SPOT.
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Mayhew was interviewed on CNN this morning. Turns out social media did play a roll and the path from it to the farkwits was shorter than thought. He took the picture, typed up the tweet, then as he hit the "send" button stated to them, "I'm tweeting this." Suddenly the dangerous weapon they had assured him he was not going home with turned back into a cane and it was returned.
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Originally Posted by eyecue
(Post 20896287)
The issue was and is the legitamacy of the cane as an assistive device for a disability. TSA weighs that against the probability that it can be swung to hurt someone.
[snip] In this case the fact that it was a cane was the over riding factor to let it go. Then suddenly they reverse course and allow it after he mentioned Twitter. And they also specifically asked him to tweet that the cane had been given back to him. So how does this square with your above comment? |
Originally Posted by sinanju
Suddenly the dangerous weapon they had assured him he was not going home with turned back into a cane and it was returned.
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Hmm, I may have to leave my hands behind on my next flight
considering I have some serious... ahem... martial arts skills. How will TSA decide if I can fly or not with my credible weapons? LOL |
Originally Posted by Paul56
(Post 20903846)
Hmm, I may have to leave my hands behind on my next flight
considering I have some serious... ahem... martial arts skills. How will TSA decide if I can fly or not with my credible weapons? LOL Apparently that is more important to TSA than actual threats. |
Originally Posted by Boggie Dog
(Post 20904305)
Depends on the scary factor.
Apparently that is more important to TSA than actual threats. |
Originally Posted by tkey75
(Post 20907061)
Just as it always has been. They can't actually make you be safe, but as long as the people feel safe, its a job well done.
Mike |
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