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Originally Posted by Often1
(Post 20688691)
+1 - Presuming that we're talking about a significant clearance at TS or above, this is an easy way to lose that clearance and, if it's a job which requires the clearance, the job as well.
For what it's worth, a DUI conviction abroad would generally lead to the exclusion of a non-citizen from entry to the US and a USN to Canada as well as numerous other nations. If it's "numerous other nations", it must be a very small minority number of nations. In how many countries has US's CEO been denied entry for driving drunk? Most of the countries that US serves? Doubtful. |
Originally Posted by TomBrady
(Post 20687968)
Without getting into details, I know what I am talking about in this arena.
Now if you have a very low clearance (like the kind all armed forces members recieve) you might be able to keep it. But any real clearance or important Government job, you will be ousted fast. And what makes you think OPM or DIA or any other clearance investigating arm is going to yank a TS (or even TS-SCI for example) because someone goes to the media about a generic trusted traveller concern? Yankee White...maybe, but of course how many of them are trusted "sources" for media types already... Someone with that type of clearance is much more likely to lose it by leaving the country wihtout prior approval or country briefing than bringing up a generic absurdity with DHS hacks. |
Originally Posted by TomBrady
(Post 20687968)
Without getting into details, I know what I am talking about in this arena.
Now if you have a very low clearance (like the kind all armed forces members recieve) you might be able to keep it. But any real clearance or important Government job, you will be ousted fast. Either way, going to the media may not be such a great of an idea, not only because of the reasons you mentioned... |
Originally Posted by Firebug4
(Post 20689418)
A single, simple DUI conviction does not make a individual inadmissible to the United States. It does not lead to the individual being inadmissible generally or specifically for that matter.
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Originally Posted by GUWonder
(Post 20689095)
The lucky charm of the Irish passport?
I have entered Britain without opening my US passport to enter Britain. Just needed to crossover into the UK by surface transport from the ROI --literally waltzed over a couple of years ago without my passport being opened. The great thing about a CTA. |
Originally Posted by herzmeh
(Post 20690687)
If the immigration officer is puritan enough, (s)he can classify DUI as a crime of moral turpitude, and that will make one inadmissible.
A simple DUI can't be a CIMT. Nor can felony DUI be one for that matter. |
Originally Posted by herzmeh
(Post 20690677)
What's a real clearance? Anything below TS? TS/SCI? Confidential? I, frankly, have never even seen anyone with that one... Armed forces members just get a basic NACLC "investigation", but are not adjudicated for anything else unless they need it, unless there has been changes as of late.
For example, in the Air Force all officers must normally rate a Secret for commissioning. However as you mention most others of course are unit/job specific. I've flown with some units where everyone had to have TS/SCI just to get in the door. Other multinational units add to the complications depending on the NOFORN rules. Although I do find some of OPM's contract investigators lack of knowledge about multi-national units humourous. I've seen them ask people at NATO "if they worked with any foreign nationals" :rolleyes: then to list all the foreign nationals they worked with which would require reems of extra paper for some...but I digress. |
Originally Posted by herzmeh
(Post 20690687)
If the immigration officer is puritan enough, (s)he can classify DUI as a crime of moral turpitude, and that will make one inadmissible.
FB |
Originally Posted by Ari
(Post 20692663)
No. Do a little research.
A simple DUI can't be a CIMT. Nor can felony DUI be one for that matter. |
Originally Posted by FlyingHoustonian
(Post 20692752)
IIRC It depends.
For example, in the Air Force all officers must normally rate a Secret for commissioning. However as you mention most others of course are unit/job specific. I've flown with some units where everyone had to have TS/SCI just to get in the door. Other multinational units add to the complications depending on the NOFORN rules. Although I do find some of OPM's contract investigators lack of knowledge about multi-national units humourous. I've seen them ask people at NATO "if they worked with any foreign nationals" :rolleyes: then to list all the foreign nationals they worked with which would require reems of extra paper for some...but I digress. I've always wondered how multi national units work when it comes to access. IIRC, the weapons station Kings Bay, GA has a somewhat large British (and I believe French) presence. All officers in the five branches have to have Secret for commissioning. I was rather talking about your lowest common denominator and the majority of the force - I doubt that a guy in the infantry will go past anything but NACLC, just to make sure he's not wanted for stealing some candy in bum-buck-nowhere USA. |
Originally Posted by herzmeh
(Post 20693955)
Sure it can. Just ask the SBA!
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Originally Posted by Ari
(Post 20693996)
SBA? What do they have to do with this?
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Originally Posted by herzmeh
(Post 20694020)
My SBA loan was denied because I committed a crime of moral turpitude, namely the DUI. I'm awaiting results of a higher-instance review right now. Just saying that they can equate DUI to a CIMT.
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Originally Posted by Ari
(Post 20694077)
But CBP can't. There is no grey area. DUI is not a CIMT for immigration purposes.
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Uh...
Originally Posted by GUWonder
(Post 20649426)
Don't many, perhaps even most, of the people who pushed for this "trusted traveler" nonsense have criminal backgrounds?
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