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I recently applied/interviewed for Global Entry and just got denied. Apparently the cause for denial was that customs had found some (undeclared) cuban cigars in my luggage 15 years ago (when I was a young college student) and confiscated it.
Does anyone know if I have any likelihood of success if I appeal to the CBP Ombudsman? I have no criminal record, and have had no issues with customs since that incident 15 years ago. If do appeal, is there any good explanation I could offer for having been carrying cuban cigars? thank you |
Anecdotally, appeals to the Ombudsman which do anything other than correct a factual error, e.g., it was your brother, not you, who smuggled in the cigars, tend to fail. But, there is no harm in trying. The worst that can happen is that the denial is upheld and you still don't have GE.
Unfortunately, because GE is all about a less rigorous entry process, people who have had Customs violations in the past tend to be pretty quickly denied under the theory that they filled out a Customs declaration stating under the federal equivalent of an oath that they were not carrying contraband, when they were. If you do appeal, there is no such thing as a good reason for smuggling. It was an is a violation of law. Trying to justify what you did -- harmless as it may seem to you -- infuriates law enforcement officers who enforce those laws. Be factual, be apologetic, state that you learned a hard lesson and will never do it again (presuming that you are comfortable saying that). |
Originally Posted by abelman
(Post 22967164)
If do appeal, is there any good explanation I could offer for having been carrying cuban cigars?
Since the appeal is free, the downside is only the time you spend on it. I would emphasize your relative youth at the time of the violation if you appeal. But your chances are very slim. Many things can change in 15 years; bureaucratic memory is not one of them. Asking CBP to approve an applicant with an apparent willful customs violation for a trusted traveler program is asking a lot, even if it was a youthful indiscretion. |
Originally Posted by Ari
(Post 22967322)
I can't think of any 'good' explanation; what explanation could you possibly give other than that you were intentionally smuggling them into the US?
Since the appeal is free, the downside is only the time you spend on it. I would emphasize your relative youth at the time of the violation if you appeal. But your chances are very slim. Many things can change in 15 years; bureaucratic memory is not one of them. Asking CBP to approve an applicant with an apparent willful customs violation for a trusted traveler program is asking a lot, even if it was a youthful indiscretion. Could stress that I bought them for my own use. (Would that be better or worse?) Or as a gift "for my dad who loves cigars" I suppose it would not be good to say that I bought them to resell. |
Unless there is an error in the record somewhere |
- Cuban airport
BIENVENIDOS A CUBA - Paper to sign at Cuban Airport PURPOSE OF VISIT A) Business/Pleasure [] B) Smuggle Cigars [] C) Assassinate Castro [] (Homer ticks all three.) |
Claiming ignorance and the fact that your dad loves cigars is probably not worth the stamp to send in the appeal or the time it will take to say that.
A CBP Officer acting as the "Ombudsman" sees that and he chuckles to himself noting that the earlier Officer made the right decision as he denies your appeal. Your chances are slim to nil as it is. Keep it simple, short and apologetic and you might hit the "slim". Do anything else and you hit the "nil". |
Originally Posted by abelman
(Post 22967666)
Well, there's always claiming ignorance.
Could stress that I bought them for my own use. (Would that be better or worse?) Or as a gift "for my dad who loves cigars" I suppose it would not be good to say that I bought them to resell. |
Originally Posted by abelman
(Post 22967666)
Well, there's always claiming ignorance.
Could stress that I bought them for my own use. (Would that be better or worse?) Or as a gift "for my dad who loves cigars" I suppose it would not be good to say that I bought them to resell. It kind of surprises me how often people get the idea to lie to CBP. I don't think the reason why you bought them is important, and keep in mind they may have made a note of the reason that you offered at the time. |
Originally Posted by jphripjah
(Post 22968564)
It kind of surprises me how often people get the idea to lie to CBP. I don't think the reason why you bought them is important, and keep in mind they may have made a note of the reason that you offered at the time.
The irony is I went in for the Global Entry interview together with my wife and kids, and they all got approved and received their cards already. |
Originally Posted by abelman
(Post 22970454)
No, they didn't ask for an explanation at the time.
The irony is I went in for the Global Entry interview together with my wife and kids, and they all got approved and received their cards already. Better because it's a little strange that they would approve them when they're concerned about me? Or worse, because they may just revoke my wife and kids when they realize? |
Originally Posted by abelman
(Post 22970454)
The irony is I went in for the Global Entry interview together with my wife and kids, and they all got approved and received their cards already.
While I can't say for sure, I think your odds of getting GE are extremely low; the key word in "trusted traveler programs" is "trusted" and with a customs violation like that, even though it's 15 years old, it's an obvious reason that CBP might be unwilling to trust you to properly declare items in the future. (The fact that you had conditional approval under the circumstances seems weird to me, though, so you may still have a chance; I just wouldn't count on it. Doesn't hurt to appeal.) |
Originally Posted by Yoshi212
(Post 20598212)
Attitude is a big part of the interview. My first GE interview didn't make it to personal questions. I was refused based on my answer to "How do you feel about security at our borders and airports?"
Originally Posted by nrr
(Post 20646643)
One function the CBP performs, is checking returnees for outstanding arrest warrants, child support arrears and other similar infractions.
Originally Posted by abelman
(Post 22967164)
If do appeal, is there any good explanation I could offer for having been carrying cuban cigars?
Seriously, I would think that the one valid reason for denying global entry would be a customs violation for smuggling something prohibited into the country. I don't know how an appeal would help unless you were underage and somehow your father told you what to buy but you weren't aware it was illegal. Even that is a huge stretch. |
Originally Posted by abelman
(Post 22971256)
Is it better or worse for me to mention in my appeal that my wife an kids were already approved?
Better because it's a little strange that they would approve them when they're concerned about me? Or worse, because they may just revoke my wife and kids when they realize? |
Originally Posted by janetdoe
(Post 22978219)
That's one of the scariest things I've heard on this topic.
OK, that's even scarier. Child support arrears? I had a client who went into a consulate to have pages added to his passport. They seized his passport and would only give him a one-way travel document back to the U.S. because he was in arrears on his child support obligation. He was paying, but he was about $6,000 behind. |
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