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Old May 1, 2013 | 5:01 pm
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Originally Posted by herzmeh
Seems that GE requirements are rather arbitrary...
I was denied, twice. I have a DUI misdemeanor conviction from 2007. I, of course, disclosed it.

Here's the kicker (and the agent got a kick out of this too when his boss told him to deny me): CBP and the agency I work for are in the same department. I hold a valid security clearance. No disciplinary action was ever taken against me by the agency for the DUI conviction, never had my access even suspended for that, let alone lose the clearance. According to the agent, sure... in his logic, based on a simple fact that gov't would trust me with secrets I should've been granted GE membership. His supervisor disagreed.
You should probably take this to the media if you can find a way; it would help expose the TT sham. "Trusted with national security secrets but still have to take shoes off for TSA", or something along those lines but more punchy would be a good title. Elliot would certainly write about it.
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Old May 1, 2013 | 8:07 pm
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Originally Posted by Ari
You should probably take this to the media if you can find a way; it would help expose the TT sham. "Trusted with national security secrets but still have to take shoes off for TSA", or something along those lines but more punchy would be a good title. Elliot would certainly write about it.
Bad Advice.

Going to the media will find your security clearance pulled fast, and possible job loss.
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Old May 1, 2013 | 10:10 pm
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Originally Posted by Ari
You should probably take this to the media if you can find a way; it would help expose the TT sham. "Trusted with national security secrets but still have to take shoes off for TSA", or something along those lines but more punchy would be a good title. Elliot would certainly write about it.
Absolutely not!

Originally Posted by TomBrady
Bad Advice.

Going to the media will find your security clearance pulled fast, and possible job loss.
Yup...
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Old May 1, 2013 | 11:48 pm
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Originally Posted by TomBrady
Bad Advice.

Going to the media will find your security clearance pulled fast, and possible job loss.
There is no certainty in that.

Actually Ari gave great advice. And it has been done without the security clearances being pulled and it can be done pretty easily still.

It is a matter of finding a way. The issue is that having posted on FT about it, governmental administrative pulls for info about an FTer may be facilitated by IB. The security clearance pull concern this time may not necessarily change a thing.
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Old May 2, 2013 | 4:14 am
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When I seek entry into my country of citizenship, it is normally by holding my open passport up, the immigration officer nods, and I enter, often without breaking my stride. Clearing customs involves taking myself and my baggage down an appropriate lane. Neither process takes more than a couple of minutes.

I happen to have a security clearance, but it is the same treatment for other citizens.

I do not see a fair reason for the US to do all this nonsense that I read. There might be some unfair reasons, like stiffing people for $100 or whatever for this expedited membership, or power tripping. Maybe it's just me.
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Old May 2, 2013 | 11:11 am
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Originally Posted by stifle
When I seek entry into my country of citizenship, it is normally by holding my open passport up, the immigration officer nods, and I enter, often without breaking my stride. Clearing customs involves taking myself and my baggage down an appropriate lane. Neither process takes more than a couple of minutes.
Based on where you are located, one would assume you are British, and you certainly don't enter Britain any more by just holding up your passport and waltzing in. Haven't been able to do that for a long time.
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Originally Posted by GUWonder
There is no certainty in that.

Actually Ari gave great advice. And it has been done without the security clearances being pulled and it can be done pretty easily still.

It is a matter of finding a way. The issue is that having posted on FT about it, governmental administrative pulls for info about an FTer may be facilitated by IB. The security clearance pull concern this time may not necessarily change a thing.
Without getting into details, I know what I am talking about in this arena.

Now if you have a very low clearance (like the kind all armed forces members recieve) you might be able to keep it. But any real clearance or important Government job, you will be ousted fast.
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Old May 2, 2013 | 12:25 pm
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Originally Posted by stifle
I do not see a fair reason for the US to do all this nonsense that I read. There might be some unfair reasons, like stiffing people for $100 or whatever for this expedited membership, or power tripping. Maybe it's just me.
Too many counterfeit US passports, for one.
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Old May 2, 2013 | 1:45 pm
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Originally Posted by TomBrady
Without getting into details, I know what I am talking about in this arena.

Now if you have a very low clearance (like the kind all armed forces members recieve) you might be able to keep it. But any real clearance or important Government job, you will be ousted fast.
What do you consider a "real" clearance?
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Old May 2, 2013 | 1:52 pm
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+1 - Presuming that we're talking about a significant clearance at TS or above, this is an easy way to lose that clearance and, if it's a job which requires the clearance, the job as well.

For what it's worth, a DUI conviction abroad would generally lead to the exclusion of a non-citizen from entry to the US and a USN to Canada as well as numerous other nations.
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Old May 2, 2013 | 2:41 pm
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Originally Posted by TomBrady
Without getting into details, I know what I am talking about in this arena.

Now if you have a very low clearance (like the kind all armed forces members recieve) you might be able to keep it. But any real clearance or important Government job, you will be ousted fast.
You aren't the only one here claiming to know what they are talking about this matter. It matters how it is done, which is a point well covered in Ari's post.

There are at least two people on FT who were at the European and Asian torture centers upon which the CIA relied during recent years and more than that number who were present at GTMO for secret hearings. Is that a "real" clearance? At least one of them went to the press on such matters and there is no reason to believe that person's employment relationship has been surrendered even as there is every reason to be aware that the person still has a "real" clearance. What matters is how it is done.
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Old May 2, 2013 | 3:01 pm
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Originally Posted by Always Flyin
Based on where you are located, one would assume you are British, and you certainly don't enter Britain any more by just holding up your passport and waltzing in. Haven't been able to do that for a long time.
You assume wrongly.
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Old May 2, 2013 | 3:04 pm
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Originally Posted by stifle
You assume wrongly.
The lucky charm of the Irish passport?

I have entered Britain without opening my US passport to enter Britain. Just needed to crossover into the UK by surface transport from the ROI --literally waltzed over a couple of years ago without my passport being opened. The great thing about a CTA.
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Old May 2, 2013 | 4:09 pm
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Originally Posted by Often1
+1 - Presuming that we're talking about a significant clearance at TS or above, this is an easy way to lose that clearance and, if it's a job which requires the clearance, the job as well.

For what it's worth, a DUI conviction abroad would generally lead to the exclusion of a non-citizen from entry to the US and a USN to Canada as well as numerous other nations.
A single, simple DUI conviction does not make a individual inadmissible to the United States. It does not lead to the individual being inadmissible generally or specifically for that matter.

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Old May 2, 2013 | 4:33 pm
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Originally Posted by GUWonder
It matters how it is done, which is a point well covered in Ari's post.
I recall that the OP claimed to work for DHS; embarassing TSA might not be good for him. He can make his own choice. I think TomBrady is overdramatizing the consequences of such a story because there would be no prohibited disclosure. Before doing something like this, I'd probably solicit advice from someone in the know who isn't an anonomys blog poster.

Originally Posted by Firebug4
A single, simple DUI conviction does not make a individual inadmissible to the United States. It does not lead to the individual being inadmissible generally or specifically for that matter.
That was my understanding as well.

Often1 is frequently a canary in a nonexistent mine; this has been a recurring feature.
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