Denied Global Entry
Apr 21, 2013 | 6:27 pm
#31
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Attitude is a big part of the interview. My first GE interview didn't make it to personal questions. I was refused based on my answer to "How do you feel about security at our borders and airports?"
But I appealed and was given my GE in about 10 minutes during my second interview.
But I appealed and was given my GE in about 10 minutes during my second interview.
Apr 21, 2013 | 7:47 pm
#32
Join Date: Feb 2013
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I was a temporary resident. Had been approved for permanent resident but needed to "land" in order to complete the process. Upon entry, admittedly I gave a rather flippant answer. It was after midnight and I was tired. But what should this have to do with being denied for US Global Entry?
Apr 21, 2013 | 7:48 pm
#33
Join Date: Feb 2013
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The Judge that sealed my records told me that I was under no requirement to disclose anything in the record that was sealed unless an order was issued stating sealed records.
These were unsealed without my knowledge by the State Department when I applied for a job under their purview which was a bit of a shock but I tend to say that I have sealed records when asked and most don't want to know about them as they are sealed. Nothing bad just stupid college aged stuff that a judge didn't want my future to be centered around. Mighty nice of him. Wishing your record is sealed and having it sealed are two very different things. A cop asking me if I have a record is different than a Federal Agency of which I'm asking to be entrusted with a higher level of ease than the average citizen.
Attitude is a big part of the interview. My first GE interview didn't make it to personal questions. I was refused based on my answer to "How do you feel about security at our borders and airports?"
But I appealed and was given my GE in about 10 minutes during my second interview.
These were unsealed without my knowledge by the State Department when I applied for a job under their purview which was a bit of a shock but I tend to say that I have sealed records when asked and most don't want to know about them as they are sealed. Nothing bad just stupid college aged stuff that a judge didn't want my future to be centered around. Mighty nice of him. Wishing your record is sealed and having it sealed are two very different things. A cop asking me if I have a record is different than a Federal Agency of which I'm asking to be entrusted with a higher level of ease than the average citizen.
Attitude is a big part of the interview. My first GE interview didn't make it to personal questions. I was refused based on my answer to "How do you feel about security at our borders and airports?"
But I appealed and was given my GE in about 10 minutes during my second interview.
Apr 21, 2013 | 7:50 pm
#34
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The Judge that sealed my records told me that I was under no requirement to disclose anything in the record that was sealed unless an order was issued stating sealed records.
These were unsealed without my knowledge by the State Department when I applied for a job under their purview which was a bit of a shock but I tend to say that I have sealed records when asked and most don't want to know about them as they are sealed. Nothing bad just stupid college aged stuff that a judge didn't want my future to be centered around. Mighty nice of him. Wishing your record is sealed and having it sealed are two very different things. A cop asking me if I have a record is different than a Federal Agency of which I'm asking to be entrusted with a higher level of ease than the average citizen.
Attitude is a big part of the interview. My first GE interview didn't make it to personal questions. I was refused based on my answer to "How do you feel about security at our borders and airports?"
But I appealed and was given my GE in about 10 minutes during my second interview.
These were unsealed without my knowledge by the State Department when I applied for a job under their purview which was a bit of a shock but I tend to say that I have sealed records when asked and most don't want to know about them as they are sealed. Nothing bad just stupid college aged stuff that a judge didn't want my future to be centered around. Mighty nice of him. Wishing your record is sealed and having it sealed are two very different things. A cop asking me if I have a record is different than a Federal Agency of which I'm asking to be entrusted with a higher level of ease than the average citizen.
Attitude is a big part of the interview. My first GE interview didn't make it to personal questions. I was refused based on my answer to "How do you feel about security at our borders and airports?"
But I appealed and was given my GE in about 10 minutes during my second interview.
Apr 21, 2013 | 7:54 pm
#35
Join Date: Feb 2013
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Heck, I can see someone not being able to remember every instance if it stretched far enough back. But, a simple, "They go back to about X date and they were all dismissed; going in reverse order I can remember (stop me whenever you want, officer,) AA1, AA2, AA3, etc." should be sufficient.
They're not testing your memory. They're after your honesty in answering. Acknowledging the dates and asking how they want to go over them and then saying you'll do your best but might miss a few in the past is covering yourself for approval and (if denied) appeal. Being flippant is simply asking for a denial and skewering your chances of an appeal.
They're not testing your memory. They're after your honesty in answering. Acknowledging the dates and asking how they want to go over them and then saying you'll do your best but might miss a few in the past is covering yourself for approval and (if denied) appeal. Being flippant is simply asking for a denial and skewering your chances of an appeal.
Apr 21, 2013 | 7:57 pm
#36
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The larger issue is that the website makes it clear that people are eligible for this program unless they have convictions. It says nothing about arrest records or about being refused entry to a foreign government. It doesn't even convey warnings about this making it difficult. Its misrepresentation.
Apr 21, 2013 | 7:59 pm
#37
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That might be your opinion, but that's not what is on their website. It says nothing about having a perfectly clean background with no arrest record. Why do you think a US citizen who happens to have been arrested but not convicted should bear some kind of stigma for the rest of their life?
Apr 21, 2013 | 8:01 pm
#38
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You were denied for being "less than forthcoming." What that tells me is that maybe you were convicted of something, or at least CBP believes that you were. If you say that you have a 'long arrest history,' then perhaps you might have had a conviction. To fight the decision, you should do an FBI background check as well as a DOJ livescan check for the state that you live in. This should give you an idea of what exactly is on your record. Then you would have to find out what was the exact disposition for each charge.
Apr 21, 2013 | 8:04 pm
#39
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No, absolutely no conviction. Unless there is an error in the record somewhere, which I cant see and was not indicated as a reason for denial. In fact since this is a valid reason for denial, it should have been indicated if true. But the only reason given was being "less than forthcoming". I have done a FBI background check for permanent resident applications, and there are no convictions on the record.
Apr 21, 2013 | 8:09 pm
#40
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Frankly this interview, or this interviewer was just setting up some kind of trap. Had the whole record in front of his computer screen and expects me to read it back to him.
A disgusting aspect of the USA border service. Now I understand why foreigners often hate the entry process.
Apr 23, 2013 | 12:33 am
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That might be your opinion, but that's not what is on their website. It says nothing about having a perfectly clean background with no arrest record. Why do you think a US citizen who happens to have been arrested but not convicted should bear some kind of stigma for the rest of their life?
You were arrested multiple time to the extent that you can't even recall all the arrests.
Since the overwhelming super-majority of people will never be arrested, IMHO, someone with your colorful history most certainly should be denied participation in a trust based system.
For those who claim every U.S. citizen should be given Global Entry, I live in the real world. In that world, that will never happen. If anyone suggested that it should, the response would be to cancel the program. I prefer disqualifying objectively suspect applicants. That's the real world.
Apr 23, 2013 | 4:23 am
#42
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You weren't arrested once.
You were arrested multiple time to the extent that you can't even recall all the arrests.
Since the overwhelming super-majority of people will never be arrested, IMHO, someone with your colorful history most certainly should be denied participation in a trust based system.
For those who claim every U.S. citizen should be given Global Entry, I live in the real world. In that world, that will never happen. If anyone suggested that it should, the response would be to cancel the program. I prefer disqualifying objectively suspect applicants. That's the real world.
You were arrested multiple time to the extent that you can't even recall all the arrests.
Since the overwhelming super-majority of people will never be arrested, IMHO, someone with your colorful history most certainly should be denied participation in a trust based system.
For those who claim every U.S. citizen should be given Global Entry, I live in the real world. In that world, that will never happen. If anyone suggested that it should, the response would be to cancel the program. I prefer disqualifying objectively suspect applicants. That's the real world.
But I repeat, if being arrested is the objective measure, then put it on the webpage and say you cant get global entry if youre ever arrested so that people wont pay $100 to be abused by a worthless border patrol agent who has nothing good to do with his life but harass valuable citizens.
Apr 23, 2013 | 4:52 am
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For those who claim every U.S. citizen should be given Global Entry, I live in the real world. In that world, that will never happen. If anyone suggested that it should, the response would be to cancel the program. I prefer disqualifying objectively suspect applicants. That's the real world.
Apr 23, 2013 | 8:09 am
#44
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For those who claim every U.S. citizen should be given Global Entry, I live in the real world. In that world, that will never happen. If anyone suggested that it should, the response would be to cancel the program. I prefer disqualifying objectively suspect applicants. That's the real world.
CBP should be forced to make Global Entry the norm for all without biometrics or questioning.
Last edited by Spiff; Apr 23, 2013 at 9:08 am
Apr 23, 2013 | 11:34 am
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Without arguing or judging one's reality; I offer that questioning is the basis of border security. If there are no questions, is there is no form of security. The EU is one of the greatest examples of cross-border freedom; but it still questions quite aggressively in some situations.
For me the choice to be questioned thoroughly "up front" with biometrics is worth the hassle given the frequent (>150/annual) cross-border crossings I make.
As for the OP, he needs to be prepared for deep scrutiny; and his only hope is to get copies of all records and speak to every single arrest if asked.