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goalie Mar 14, 2013 10:19 am


When a test is failed, we don’t simply check a tick mark in a box and move on. Nor do we take punitive measures as this testing is a learning experience.
Then why pray tell do we bother having security screeners? Sheesh :rolleyes:

chollie Mar 14, 2013 11:02 am


Originally Posted by goalie (Post 20418674)
Then why pray tell do we bother having security screeners? Sheesh :rolleyes:

Well, if TSA went around 'punishing' screeners who fail tests (by sending them to more ineffectual training), morale would go down.

I wonder if companies like, oh, McDonald's and Apple and Amazon take this approach.

Or big hospitals and medical universities and nursing schools.

Or the organization that trains drone operators.

Odd that TSA doesn't extend the same generous tolerance to flyers who don't know the current checkpoint rules in place at a particular airport checkpoint with a particular screener on a particular day. Why don't pax get the benefit of a 'learning' experience?

TheGolfWidow Mar 14, 2013 11:02 am


Since we’re on the topic of Newark, an article with comments from an alleged anonymous former Transportation Security Officer from EWR was posted over the weekend by the New York Post. It’s amazing how much credence a newspaper can give to someone who is not accountable for what he or she says. With that said, much of what this alleged former TSO had to say is just uninformed generalizations painted with a very wide brush. In the past, we have seen former employees who were terminated for wrongdoing quoted in stories like this one. As you might imagine, we think they have a credibility gap.
That's a nice little smear campaign to suggest that the blogger was both never employed as a TSA screener AND that he is a former TSA screener who was terminated for wrongdoing.

HawaiiTrvlr Mar 14, 2013 11:41 am

Apparently the goodwill campaign continues at the TSA Blog. To draw less attention to the EWR story (and the dig of the former TSA screener), they quickly posted a feel-good story about a deputy FSD in FL who saved someone's life. "Hey, look at us. We do good things and not all of us are bad apples."

tom911 Mar 14, 2013 12:09 pm

I like the New York Post's explanation better:

The TSA whined yesterday that it’s just too darn hard for agents to find bombs — unless the terrorists use explosives straight out of a Loony Tunes cartoon.

That was the agency’s sorry excuse to explain how Newark Airport screeners were completely outmatched by an undercover fed who stuffed an IED in his pants and slipped through two layers of security.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/b...dT3pB1YDSWWQcL

Tom M. Mar 14, 2013 12:10 pm

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/b...dT3pB1YDSWWQcL

Rep. John Mica (R-Fla.), who heads the powerful Government Operations Subcommittee and helped create the TSA, said Burns violated national security protocols by disclosing details of the Newark test on the blog.

“The first thing I have to do is investigate how much they’re paying for their blog team,” Mica told The Post.

“Here you have some guy on a blog, which is a questionable expenditure of that agency, confirming that it was a failure. That’s the last thing TSA should be doing on a blog or publicly . . . This [blog] should be a primary candidate for sequestration.”

Superguy Mar 14, 2013 12:51 pm


Originally Posted by Tom M. (Post 20419306)
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/b...dT3pB1YDSWWQcL

Rep. John Mica (R-Fla.), who heads the powerful Government Operations Subcommittee and helped create the TSA, said Burns violated national security protocols by disclosing details of the Newark test on the blog.

“The first thing I have to do is investigate how much they’re paying for their blog team,” Mica told The Post.

“Here you have some guy on a blog, which is a questionable expenditure of that agency, confirming that it was a failure. That’s the last thing TSA should be doing on a blog or publicly . . . This [blog] should be a primary candidate for sequestration.”

^

Now whether he actually acts on that bluster ...

It certainly took him long enough to take notice of PV.

Regardless, it can't be good for one's career to be called our directly by a Congressman ... unless they work for TSA. :rolleyes:

Alex.at Mar 14, 2013 3:33 pm


Originally Posted by tom911 (Post 20419300)
I like the New York Post's explanation better:
he TSA whined yesterday that it’s just too darn hard for agents to find bombs — unless the terrorists use explosives straight out of a Loony Tunes cartoon.

That was the agency’s sorry excuse to explain how Newark Airport screeners were completely outmatched by an undercover fed who stuffed an IED in his pants and slipped through two layers of security.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/b...dT3pB1YDSWWQcL

where were the other 18 layers?

Fredd Mar 14, 2013 3:48 pm

If a tree falls in the forest...
 

Originally Posted by Alex.at (Post 20420504)
where were the other 18 layers?

Sometimes in life you peel back the layers only to find there's nothing there. ;)

Superguy Mar 14, 2013 4:06 pm


Originally Posted by Fredd (Post 20420565)
Sometimes in life you peel back the layers only to find there's nothing there. ;)

Or that it's like an onion with all the layers stinking. :D

FliesWay2Much Mar 14, 2013 7:33 pm


Originally Posted by Superguy (Post 20419564)
^

Now whether he actually acts on that bluster ...

It certainly took him long enough to take notice of PV.

Regardless, it can't be good for one's career to be called our directly by a Congressman ... unless they work for TSA. :rolleyes:

Mica provided the perfect excuse for Pissy to just kill the Blog. He knows it's been a huge no-win lead weight, and, now, Mica handed him a reason to make it go away on a silver platter.

It's amazing that a Member of Congress (more like a staffer) actually reads Propaganda Village. More importantly, the member or staffer has been reading all of our comments as well as the complete idiocy posted by clerks such as Ronnie, West, and Kellie Mae. Castleveter's House of cards just came crumbling down.

Spiff Mar 14, 2013 8:51 pm


Originally Posted by John Mica
This [blog] should be a primary candidate for sequestration.

This disgusting, un-American agency should be a primary candidate for sequestration and criminal prosecution, John.

petaluma1 Mar 15, 2013 5:55 am


Originally Posted by FliesWay2Much (Post 20421627)
Mica provided the perfect excuse for Pissy to just kill the Blog. He knows it's been a huge no-win lead weight, and, now, Mica handed him a reason to make it go away on a silver platter.

It's amazing that a Member of Congress (more like a staffer) actually reads Propaganda Village. More importantly, the member or staffer has been reading all of our comments as well as the complete idiocy posted by clerks such as Ronnie, West, and Kellie Mae. Castleveter's House of cards just came crumbling down.

^^

United_727 Mar 15, 2013 6:57 am


We also are constantly looking for ways to improve our performance
Best line of the whole article.

Maxwell Smart Mar 15, 2013 7:34 am


Originally Posted by tom911 (Post 20419300)
I like the New York Post's explanation better:

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/b...dT3pB1YDSWWQcL

Nice article, however, they incorrectly state that boxcutters were "smuggled" aboard Flight 93 on 9/11, implying that there was a screening failure at EWR.


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