True, but it is him on TU which he freely admits, and I'd rather have him say it is not him. I know he can do it.

Ron had 13 years as a USAF Security Specialist, but his classification was not the typical LEO that we are familiar with on the non-military side. His job classification (81170) was to protect things like Air Force planes and missiles. Law Enforcement Specialists (811X2) are the airmen that perform traditional police functions.

But he does have an associates degree in criminal justice.

I agree that there is more to it than that, but trying to boil it down to the level needed by some of the posters here to understand is difficult.

My employer accepts it. You don�t have to. Once again, a choice is made, right or wrong.

Did you miss the part about a �gauntlet� of measures, both public and not public?

Here we are with the splitting of hair again, and the hypothetical. Do you think that a judge understands the in�s and out�s of the petrochemical industry? Does that judge need to have that knowledge to make a ruling in a case involving such an industry? How about brain surgery? Does he need to be a board certified surgeon to make a ruling in cases involving such? No, obviously.

Yes, I�d agree that you are confused.

5 digit actually. If you are going to talk about it please at least try and provide accurate information.

Then, with all respect, I ask you not to oversimplify. It does not serve to further the discussion here. As Einstein once said: "make things as simple as possible, but not simpler."

I was Navy. There it was cooks & cops.

You are the one that opened your mouth and side you could identify drugs by sight. You were told to put your money where your keyboard was and prove it in a picture test that was posted here several YEARS AGO! To this day you have yet to provide those answers.

Since you haven't dodged and avoided the question I say you are full of it and a liar until you prove otherwise.

I see your type/personality day in and day out Ron it sticks out like a sore thumb and is easily dealt with. You have a lot of keyboard courage, but I highly doubt you have anywhere near the same level of bravado in person you do behind the keyboard.

ClerkRon, the scope of a TSA clerk's duties are defined by law and regulations, and judges have detailed knowledge and understanding of laws and regulations. The complexity of your job is on a par with that of a Wal-mart greeter. Are you seriously going to sit there and tell us that we can't comment on the scope of a Wal-mart greeter's job because only a Wal-mart greeter can understand the job?

I guess officers don't count in your world.

Also, could you please tell me why my paperwork was confiscated?

Ron the Muse of the Platte doesn't answer hard direct questions that require simple answers. He will either ignore or give you another non-sequitur.

Ron doesn't like real officers. We scare him, let's presume from UIFs...due to his getting booted.

And ron AFSCs can have many digits (pre and suf for example) based on evaluator status and the like; so Ron, if you are going to talk about something please get it right...

For an officer the first 3 will tell you all you need to know about the job and a standard officer AFSC is 4 digits.

Now, share with us a small slice of your "extra" personal training that is so valuable.

I know. But it amuses me to ask again.

5 digit actually. If you are going to talk about it please at least try and provide accurate information.[/QUOTE]

Come on, Ronnie, don't deceive the non-USAF posters. You know as we'll as I that AFSCs didn't go to five digits until the 1990s.

OK, I'll spill the beans (pun intended). In the Air Force it was security police and civil engineering (roads & commodes).

There are two security police career fields in the Air Force: security and LE. LE is a sought-after career and is reasonable competitive among the young enlisted troops just out of boot camp. The really good people can end up in the OSI or administering security programs for highly classified activities. People in the "security" career field are basically armed guards. They man guard posts at Air Force bases (Actually, most of them are contractors these days.) and issue IDs and car passes at visitor control. The classic scenario were the guys who guarded B-52s or missiles on alert. This "security guard" career field is one of two in which people were dumped. The rules are rigid and the tasks straightforward. Individual judgment and decisions were extremely limited - the true definition of a "checklist mentality."

This division of responsibility and relative skill level found in the Air Force is not at all unlike what we see at airports: Law enforcement personnel and security guards/clerks.

NDSol posted the specifics:

Wow, really? Did you serve, or just kibitz?

That's really funny. Every terrorist (and most passengers) know that you can go through *any* checkpoint in the US with the same weapons that the 9/11 terrorists have used with no fear of detection. The same goes for the underwear bomber. The scanners in use have been proven to be completely ineffective against this type of threat. This is 100% security theater.



I won't tell you what you job is, but I'll tell you what it isn't. It isn't in any way related to security.

All correct, but there is something you missed in your less than detailed explanation. 81170 is a management AFSC (the 7 designates it as such), and as such one must have the training of both x0 and x2 duties if they are required to manage both, as I did.

But you did get the number of digits correct, I�ll give you that. ^ So, either you are much better with Google than your fellow�s here, or you served. Which is it?

Now, can we actually get back to the purpose of this thread, or are the character assassinations going to continue and thereby end what had promised to be an entertaining discussion?

You have a good point. The lines are indeed a possible point of attack. But outside of the sterile area and checkpoint is not a TSO�s responsibility. There are police officers and more that have those areas as their responsibilities. Agencies like the FBI, the NSA, even the CIA. Or are you wanting the TSA to extend its areas of responsibility beyond what it is currently? That would be silly, wouldn�t it?

A military officer? Commissioned? They do indeed count, but I was not one of them, so I never had occasion to learn about their designations other than rank insignia.

As for your paperwork, well I have already told you that you need to tell us as I was not there and you were.

I hope that every terrorist in the world believes just as you do. Sure would make my job so much easier.

If you are such an authority in the area then please, by all means, join us! It would be nice to have such an expert in the area working with us.