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Old Sep 14, 2012 | 6:36 pm
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They heard that "hot nuts" were available from the galley and got the wrong idea?
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Old Sep 16, 2012 | 6:47 am
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Originally Posted by sbrower
Do you mean "something to say" as in talk to management about trying to change the rules? Or do you mean "something to say" as in "Don't let any TSA agent walk onto a plane I am schedule to fly"?

I have my doubts about their ability to say the 2nd.
I don't. FAR 91.3(a): "The pilot in command of an aircraft is directly responsible for, and is the final authority as to, the operation of that aircraft." If the pilot doesn't want the TSA on their plane, the TSA doesn't go on their plane. Now, of course, that may have consequences, such as the plane not being permitted to take off.
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Old Sep 16, 2012 | 7:41 am
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Originally Posted by RichardKenner
I don't. FAR 91.3(a): "The pilot in command of an aircraft is directly responsible for, and is the final authority as to, the operation of that aircraft." If the pilot doesn't want the TSA on their plane, the TSA doesn't go on their plane. Now, of course, that may have consequences, such as the plane not being permitted to take off.
I agree, but is the pilot going to even notice if the TSA is just sight seeing for a couple minutes? Sure if they try to pull someone off the PIC should get involved, but they were probably busy with the preflight checks in the OPs situation and wouldn't notice a visit by the gate agent, ramper, TSO, etc.

My guess is trying to look/feel important and a make-work project.
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Old Sep 16, 2012 | 7:34 pm
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Originally Posted by RichardKenner
I don't. FAR 91.3(a): "The pilot in command of an aircraft is directly responsible for, and is the final authority as to, the operation of that aircraft." If the pilot doesn't want the TSA on their plane, the TSA doesn't go on their plane. Now, of course, that may have consequences, such as the plane not being permitted to take off.

But while the aircraft is at the Gate, with jetway attached, door open, it is NOT their aircraft.

I've never had any crew member even begin to complain about TSA boarding the aircraft.

And I honestly do not see the big deal. TSA's on the plane for 90 seconds, tops. They walk on, walk back to front, and then leave. That's it. Doesn't affect me, doesn't affect the crew, and doesn't affect the passengers.

(Not to mention, that there have been times where I've told TSA no, that our turn is too tight. Not a problem, they don't care. They're not doing anything specific, they're meeting their quota of planes "searched".)
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Old Sep 16, 2012 | 7:39 pm
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I've never seen a TSO board an aircraft at the gate. More government overreach, no doubt.
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Old Sep 16, 2012 | 8:39 pm
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Originally Posted by RichardKenner
I don't. FAR 91.3(a): "The pilot in command of an aircraft is directly responsible for, and is the final authority as to, the operation of that aircraft." If the pilot doesn't want the TSA on their plane, the TSA doesn't go on their plane. Now, of course, that may have consequences, such as the plane not being permitted to take off.
I don't believe your interpretation of the statute is correct. "Operation of the aircraft" generally applies to inflight. That is, the pilot can say "I won't fly if the TSA has been onboard" but he can also say "I won't fly if a FAM is onboard." But those also might be his last 2 flights.
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Old Sep 17, 2012 | 9:42 am
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Originally Posted by halls120
I've never seen a TSO board an aircraft at the gate. More government overreach, no doubt.
Like I said in an earlier post, they don't do it here.
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