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I am quite confident that if I had left the dressing in place, it wouldn't have mattered whether or not I said it was a sensitive area (areas covered by dressings leaking blood often are sensitive, I would imagine). If I hadn't removed the dressing, I am sure that the TSO would have felt it necessary to press on the dressing to make sure there was nothing concealed in it. After all, I guess I could put something nasty in a dressing, add fake blood and tape it to my body, right?
Both times I was very worried that the groper would automatically touch my exposed wound without thinking, but fortunately that didn't happen. I'm sorry for the pax that saw me and appeared grossed out, but it was better than the alternative.
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Hang on, now.
It was a bit bloody - stitches leaked for several days, the doctor says that's normal. It most certainly wasn't 'infected' or I would not have been flying.
And I want to be abundantly clear here: I have read (and believe) accounts of pax who have been told to remove adult diapers, etc. This did not happen to me. I voluntarily took the dressings off in both instances as soon as I got directed to the NoS because I knew that the full grope was going to probably involve pressure in painful places. I was worried about broken stitches, and I was even more worried, in the second case, that I would lose it and throw up if the TSO pressed too hard on my throat. It was my choice to remove my dressings instead of having them painfully groped.
I understand why they have to run it through the x-ray - you're not allowed to have anything in your hands during the grope, and once I removed it, it was no different to them than if I had kept a wad of money in my hand - it all has to be x-rayed.
The alternative was to leave it in place and have the TSO press hard on it to make sure there was nothing nasty concealed in it (this was a slightly bulky dressing, not just a bandaid). I just forgot it would play out that way when I took it off. I wanted to keep it in place as long as possible; I certainly had no intentions of putting it back on -eeew. I considered myself very fortunate that in both instances the TSOs seemed kind of grossed out and didn't feel the need to physically pat my wound to clear it.
Believe me, I've had much worse experiences. Of course, it would have been really great if I'd been allowed to use the WTMD - I never alarm it - but I seem to be one of the lucky ones who always gets selected for the NoS, and no matter how much they threaten or challenge, I am still physically incapable of assuming and holding the position.
I suspect the same thing would happen if I wore an eyepatch - I'm sure if I went through the NoS or opted out (voluntarily or involuntarily), the TSO would have to see under it and it would have to be x-rayed separately to make sure there's nothing hidden inside.
It was a bit bloody - stitches leaked for several days, the doctor says that's normal. It most certainly wasn't 'infected' or I would not have been flying.
And I want to be abundantly clear here: I have read (and believe) accounts of pax who have been told to remove adult diapers, etc. This did not happen to me. I voluntarily took the dressings off in both instances as soon as I got directed to the NoS because I knew that the full grope was going to probably involve pressure in painful places. I was worried about broken stitches, and I was even more worried, in the second case, that I would lose it and throw up if the TSO pressed too hard on my throat. It was my choice to remove my dressings instead of having them painfully groped.
I understand why they have to run it through the x-ray - you're not allowed to have anything in your hands during the grope, and once I removed it, it was no different to them than if I had kept a wad of money in my hand - it all has to be x-rayed.
The alternative was to leave it in place and have the TSO press hard on it to make sure there was nothing nasty concealed in it (this was a slightly bulky dressing, not just a bandaid). I just forgot it would play out that way when I took it off. I wanted to keep it in place as long as possible; I certainly had no intentions of putting it back on -eeew. I considered myself very fortunate that in both instances the TSOs seemed kind of grossed out and didn't feel the need to physically pat my wound to clear it.
Believe me, I've had much worse experiences. Of course, it would have been really great if I'd been allowed to use the WTMD - I never alarm it - but I seem to be one of the lucky ones who always gets selected for the NoS, and no matter how much they threaten or challenge, I am still physically incapable of assuming and holding the position.
I suspect the same thing would happen if I wore an eyepatch - I'm sure if I went through the NoS or opted out (voluntarily or involuntarily), the TSO would have to see under it and it would have to be x-rayed separately to make sure there's nothing hidden inside.
But the truth is that your used wound dressing still qualifies as medical waste. It should NOT have been placed on the belt or in bins where other pax place their possessions; if you were not going to re-apply it, it should have been thrown in the trash, and if you had intended to re-apply it, it should not have been placed on the belt or in bins where pax routinely place filthy shoes. Toxic lawn chemicals and animal excrement are just two of the many wonderful things that those shoes may have been in contact with...
All I'm saying is, infected or not, it's medical waste and should never be placed in any kind of contact with pax belongings. YOU may know that your blood is clean and infection-free, but the TSOs don't know that, and this is one instance where I think a true Abundance of Caution ought to win out - you don't put peoples' blood in contact with other peoples' possessions! Hello, TSO! Ever hear of blood-bourne illnesses like AIDS and hepatitis!
And if any TSOs touched the dressing, I certainly hope they changed their gloved immediately afterward. Though, that may be expecting too much from a group who sometimes uses the bathroom and doesn't change their gloves...
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TSA employees can barely be trusted not to pee on the floor, let alone demonstrate a basic understanding of personal hygiene or the fundamentals of biology. If they had that knowledge and understanding, they'd be qualified for real jobs.
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Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but be prepared. I have trouble with one leg that requires special support (non metalic for flight days) Suffice it to say in my experience 8 out of 10x TSA will want to examine the area. Be sure they replace their gloves in your site. They have even gone so far as to request I remove the wrap, which so far I have successfully avoided. And know you'll most likely be raising your pant leg above the knee.
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A belated 'welcome to FT', Cheryl.
Thank you for chiming in, and sorry that you have to go through that. I'm saddened however that so few people report experiences here anymore, and that the responses tend to be like on page 1 that it won't be an issue.
It MAY, and it HAS been an issue for many of us, many times over. Telling posters that it won't isn't fair and doesn't help them to prepare for what may well happen.
Here's an example of the varied experiences with medically necessary liquid:
From a non-American traveller:
and then someone follows chollie's suggestion to call the 'TSA cares line':
Thank you for chiming in, and sorry that you have to go through that. I'm saddened however that so few people report experiences here anymore, and that the responses tend to be like on page 1 that it won't be an issue.
It MAY, and it HAS been an issue for many of us, many times over. Telling posters that it won't isn't fair and doesn't help them to prepare for what may well happen.
Here's an example of the varied experiences with medically necessary liquid:
I have recent experience with this-- I am in EXACTLY the same situation as you, except compounded by the fact that my tube-fed daughter is about to turn 5. I hate to check her formula as well, since it can't be replaced, but I have yet to find a TSA agent who listens and understands when I try to explain to them that it is a medical necessity and can't be bought in stores. They hear 'formula' and that's the only word they hear, and can't understand why a 4-year-old needs it. I have followed TSA’s regulations to the letter for traveling with medical liquids and even always have a copy of those regulations with me, with the relevant portions highlighted, because agents invariably try to tell me restrictions that directly contradict their own policies. My experiences have run the gamut from being waved through with no explanation necessary to having my entire family (including DD4!!) patted down and every single item in every bag swabbed because the formula can't be opened. This last experience led me to open a complaint with TSA since they touched my daughter without my express permission, and the procedure they told me to follow for my next trip was this:
Call TSA Cares (number posted earlier in this thread) at least 72 hours before your flight, and explain your special security needs. They will have someone on hand to meet you at security and expedite you through the line. I haven't actually travelled since getting this advice, so I can't tell you how well it works, but thats the best advice I have.
Call TSA Cares (number posted earlier in this thread) at least 72 hours before your flight, and explain your special security needs. They will have someone on hand to meet you at security and expedite you through the line. I haven't actually travelled since getting this advice, so I can't tell you how well it works, but thats the best advice I have.
TSA is no problem, really. It is part of his medical treatment and thus allowed
I'll have to respectfully disagree. While this is what TSA regulations do indeed say, real-world experience has proven time and time again that it all boils down to the whims of the agent you interact with at your particular airport and you have to be prepared for that. As an example: regulations clearly say that you are allowed an unlimited amount, but I had a TSA agent literally tell me, "you are allowed an unlimited amount, but I'm not letting you just bring as much as you want!"
I called the TSA cares line. It was a joke!!! Literally, he read from the websit and was no able to offer me any additional assistance. He heard formula and went straight to baby...and read exactly what the websit says. I could have explained until I was blue and would've gotten read to off of the website
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The part of 'TSA Cares' that I emphasize is not talking to a phone jockey who will just read what is on the forever 'out-of-date' website (which does not apply to individual FSD requirements, agent interpretation, individual checkpoints).
I emphasize the part about asking for a CSM to meet you at the checkpoint and escort you through. 'TSA Cares' is supposed to do that. I've posted elsewhere about the one instance where something like this happened - Stacey Amato was challenged at a checkpoint (again, after the agents had supposedly been 're-trained' but still didn't get it). The agent who challenged her was NOT going to back down...until the CSM stepped forward, identified herself and apparently had enough clout to force the agent to follow proper procedure.
I emphasize the part about asking for a CSM to meet you at the checkpoint and escort you through. 'TSA Cares' is supposed to do that. I've posted elsewhere about the one instance where something like this happened - Stacey Amato was challenged at a checkpoint (again, after the agents had supposedly been 're-trained' but still didn't get it). The agent who challenged her was NOT going to back down...until the CSM stepped forward, identified herself and apparently had enough clout to force the agent to follow proper procedure.
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My nephew tried this last week at SEA. His three and a half year old son is fed through a G tube in his tummy on special formula. Past TSA experiences ranged from annoying to outright awful. Having a CSM on hand made the whole thing tolerable. I wasn't there, so I can't report specifics, but my nephew gives it a big thumbs up.
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I'm not suggesting that your recommendation is off base. But I think that most people would call, and if they encounter what that poster did, they may not pursue it further, or they make think that they did what they were told to do.
It's not surprising that TSA recommends calling, but in this case the person doesn't achieve any result and may not know to ask for a CSM. They were told to call the number; they called, and that was the result. I believe that person was using an airport in TN; another poster who reported problems uses PDX.
It's not surprising that TSA recommends calling, but in this case the person doesn't achieve any result and may not know to ask for a CSM. They were told to call the number; they called, and that was the result. I believe that person was using an airport in TN; another poster who reported problems uses PDX.
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I'm not suggesting that your recommendation is off base. But I think that most people would call, and if they encounter what that poster did, they may not pursue it further, or they make think that they did what they were told to do.
It's not surprising that TSA recommends calling, but in this caes the person doesn't achieve any result.
It's not surprising that TSA recommends calling, but in this caes the person doesn't achieve any result.
I can only think of two reasons for the 72 hours notice: 1) the CSM is not readily available and 2) TSA intends to do a background check and probably make a report on any pax requesting TSA Cares CSM assistance at the checkpoint.
Nevertheless, it would appear that there's a chance to get someone who is possibly 'outside' the normal checkpoint chain-of-command to at least witness what happens at the checkpoint. It may deter over-zealous TSOs/LTSOs/STSOs from overtly punitive actions - that in itself is a step in the right direction.
Now it's quite possible that the CSM isn't really concerned about the pax experience or TSOs following SOP (whatever it happens to be at the moment), but the CSM may be an attempt to avoid embarrassing items in the news about pax mistreatment. This is, after all, the real reason why TSA suddenly decided that pax <12 and >75 can have repeat scans in an attempt to avoid gropes. The public is much more likely to get upset, call/write to Congress, etc, if a video or story surfaces about a child or an elderly person getting groped and mishandled. I think that's what is really going on with TSA Cares - image protection.
In a truly well-run organization, the position wouldn't be necessary. However, if a CSM can improve my checkpoint experience (meaning 'ensure that I am treated with something close to the respect that I should always receive and protect me from punitive TSO actions'), then regardless of motive, we should take advantage of it.
Now I certainly think there are FSDs who will not be on board with this (BOS comes to mind) - pax may show up at the checkpoint and find that the CSM is mysteriously 'unavailable', but a LTSO or STSO is ready to rubber stamp whatever goes down. But we do now have Stacey Armato's experience and the post above, two tiny data points, that suggest it might be an avenue worth pursuing.
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I agree with all of the above, but the issue appears to be with the 'gatekeeper' answering the TSA Cares line. If they don't think that the item or situation is an issue, they may not refer the caller any further, or arrange for a CSM. In this case, the woman was left right where she started; confused about the TSA website and with conflicting information and experiences.
I also understand that TSA may not want to offer a CSM in every case as it is most likely a staffing/labour/availability issue, but if someone was given that number BY a TSA staffer, and calls with an issue, and isn't referred further, the system is broken.
I also understand that TSA may not want to offer a CSM in every case as it is most likely a staffing/labour/availability issue, but if someone was given that number BY a TSA staffer, and calls with an issue, and isn't referred further, the system is broken.
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I agree with all of the above, but the issue appears to be with the 'gatekeeper' answering the TSA Cares line. If they don't think that the item or situation is an issue, they may not refer the caller any further, or arrange for a CSM. In this case, the woman was left right where she started; confused about the TSA website and with conflicting information and experiences.
I also understand that TSA may not want to offer a CSM in every case as it is most likely a staffing/labour/availability issue, but if someone was given that number BY a TSA staffer, and calls with an issue, and isn't referred further, the system is broken.
I also understand that TSA may not want to offer a CSM in every case as it is most likely a staffing/labour/availability issue, but if someone was given that number BY a TSA staffer, and calls with an issue, and isn't referred further, the system is broken.
I think part of the issue is to know before you make the call that you are going to insist that you need a CSM based on prior bad experiences.
This is also one of the rare times I might follow up with personal contact to one's senator/representative, pointing out what is offered (CSM), explaining that it is being denied, and asking for assistance. Sometimes an aide will actually take on something like this on behalf of a constituent.
Of course, that's not an option for those from overseas who are kind or brave enough to bring their much-needed currencies and selves to our shores.
I'm personally embarrassed that our treatment of others is so out-of-keeping with the treatment other countries give me when I pass through their checkpoints. I can only point out that such treatment is not reserved just for 'furriners' - us citizens have to put up with it too (and we bear the further indignity of knowing that we pay for our treatment with our tax dollars).


