Racial Profiling at BOS

Old Aug 13, 12, 3:09 pm
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Originally Posted by thomwithanh View Post
I got to experience the BDO's at BOS departing on B6 last year. For a few moments I actually wondered if I somehow mistakenly ended up in the Federal Inspection Service area after the officer started asking me about the purpose of my trip to Boston, who I met and what I was bringing back with me. The questions would have made perfect sense for customs but I see no connection with air security.
Supposedly that's just to verify that your story is consistent and what not.
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Old Aug 13, 12, 4:27 pm
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The natural TSA response

The only response you can count on - as told in the DL forum:

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Old Aug 13, 12, 9:14 pm
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Originally Posted by chollie View Post
The reports specifically mention dress as well as race as factors.
Casually dressed caucasians traveling alone seem to get hassled the most
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Old Aug 14, 12, 3:15 am
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(bolding mine) Aaah, so there ARE quotas to be met! A certain number of people must be hassled on every shift for the sake of appearances... or something. We're not finding terrorists under every rock, so we'll settle for any number of other "good catches" in the name of transportation security!?

Managers’ demands, hmmmmm
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Old Aug 14, 12, 3:57 am
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The story is also in USA Today:
http://travel.usatoday.com/flights/s...terstitialskip

And the comments below the article are the typical mix of stuff that sound like it came from FT, and the AFS crowd using the same tired, lame old argument, "You would be the first one to complain about TSA not doing enough if something bad happened!"
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Old Aug 14, 12, 7:42 am
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Originally Posted by CDKing View Post
Casually dressed caucasians traveling alone seem to get hassled the most
The equivalent of "reverse discrimination" with regard to racial profiling. Instead of doing the right thing, which in this case would be to abolish the pseudo-science BDO program, they simply decide to target extra white people to get their ratios to look better. Casually dressed travelers are likely perceived as more cooperative and less likely to file complaints, yet another form of assumption-based profiling.

Anyone who believed this program would not lead to forms of profiling considered inappropriate in the US, particularly race and apparent ethnicity, was in complete denial of human nature. The profilers are inevitably going to use all of the information available to them, even if they are not supposed to, and draw conclusions both correct and incorrect based on their common experiences and beliefs.
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Old Aug 14, 12, 8:15 am
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Originally Posted by studentff View Post
The equivalent of "reverse discrimination" with regard to racial profiling. Instead of doing the right thing, which in this case would be to abolish the pseudo-science BDO program, they simply decide to target extra white people to get their ratios to look better. Casually dressed travelers are likely perceived as more cooperative and less likely to file complaints, yet another form of assumption-based profiling.

Anyone who believed this program would not lead to forms of profiling considered inappropriate in the US, particularly race and apparent ethnicity, was in complete denial of human nature. The profilers are inevitably going to use all of the information available to them, even if they are not supposed to, and draw conclusions both correct and incorrect based on their common experiences and beliefs.
The mythical "reverse discrimination" wasn't goosing the numbers the way racist discrimination against non-ethnic European minorities was "accomplishing".

Compared to "black" and "brown" minorities, the European-American passengers wearing jeans, T-shirt and sneakers were far less likely to be singled out for extra hassling by these TSA clowns "profiling" than the mentioned ethnic "black" and "brown" minorities.

Profiling -- racist profiling as it continues to be -- by "security" screeners at an airport is but a euphemism for invited bigotry against classes of ethnic and/or religious minorities that relies upon some prevailing, emotional narrative of (group) guilt by association.

While they may attempt to mask the racism by goosing up the numbers of persons from primarily European ethnic background, the harassment has not been equally intense for all groups.

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Old Aug 14, 12, 8:19 am
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Knowing the TSA's overreaction and SOP, I'm guessing it's going to be a bad time to be white and flying out of BOS for the next few days. I have a feeling their "solution" will be to scrutinize white travellers more thoroughly.

I don't like the racial profiling, but the quota system really bothers me. Drugs, fake ID's, and immigration issues are not a danger to aviation, but the TSA is going out of their way to find them instead of concentrating on actual threats. I'm not surprised that they are doing this though.
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Old Aug 14, 12, 8:54 am
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Originally Posted by spd476 View Post
Knowing the TSA's overreaction and SOP, I'm guessing it's going to be a bad time to be white and flying out of BOS for the next few days. I have a feeling their "solution" will be to scrutinize white travellers more thoroughly.

I don't like the racial profiling, but the quota system really bothers me. Drugs, fake ID's, and immigration issues are not a danger to aviation, but the TSA is going out of their way to find them instead of concentrating on actual threats. I'm not surprised that they are doing this though.
I already quoted above what a libertarian writer argued, and IMHO she makes an excellent point that bears repeating, including the sentence I've bolded:

The TSA has no business looking for drugs, outstanding arrest warrants, or immigration problems unless it has serious reason to believe that the person involved poses a serious threat to air safety. If it is going to serve as an extension of every other sort of law enforcement, then its searches should be subject to the same requirements for probable cause, which would allow almost everyone to travel without submitting to TSA examination.
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Old Aug 14, 12, 9:13 am
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Originally Posted by spd476 View Post
I don't like the racial profiling, but the quota system really bothers me. Drugs, fake ID's, and immigration issues are not a danger to aviation, but the TSA is going out of their way to find them instead of concentrating on actual threats. I'm not surprised that they are doing this though.
Doesn't the tacit admission of this kind of behavior put the entire "Administrative Search" schema in jeopardy? It should.
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Old Aug 14, 12, 9:16 am
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Originally Posted by Fredd View Post
I already quoted above what a libertarian writer argued, and IMHO she makes an excellent point that bears repeating, including the sentence I've bolded:
IMO, possibly another reason to privatize.

TSOs consider themselves 'federal officers' (and in many cases, the local police do their bidding, sometimes under pressure from their own management to 'cooperate', sometimes probably because they are bored and in a mood to escalate and bully - Yuki Miyamae, for example).

Would this still apply to privatized TSOs? Are they 'federal officers' in any sense of the word? Are security guards allowed to conduct the type of 'administrative searches' that TSA currently conducts? Or would there (possibly) be more protections for the public? Would privatized security still have the leverage over local airport police that TSA does?

(I'm pessimistic about the outcome, but I still can't believe a private security guard could stick his hands in my pants and between my legs with impunity. I'm probably wrong.)
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Old Aug 14, 12, 9:37 am
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Originally Posted by WillCAD View Post
The story is also in USA Today:
http://travel.usatoday.com/flights/s...terstitialskip

And the comments below the article are the typical mix of stuff that sound like it came from FT, and the AFS crowd using the same tired, lame old argument, "You would be the first one to complain about TSA not doing enough if something bad happened!"
This article is linked at the top of Drudge at the moment, along with this one.

A couple of words in one line from the USA Today piece jump out at me:

Chat-down questions Are you traveling alone? Where did you stay when you were here? may seem innocuous, but the TSA says its goal is to detect behavior such as lack of eye contact or fidgeting that could signal a possible terrorist or criminal. If a passenger refuses to answer the questions, TSA will search their carry-on bags.
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Old Aug 14, 12, 10:16 am
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This is actually good news, because it may lead to a wider examination of TSA vastly exceeding the scope of their authority.

As others have noted, TSA has no business looking for drugs, outstanding arrest warrants, or immigration problems unless it has serious reason to believe that the person involved poses a serious threat to air safety.

I can't wait for the next time TSA tries this crap on me.
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Old Aug 14, 12, 10:38 am
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Originally Posted by halls120 View Post
This is actually good news, because it may lead to a wider examination of TSA vastly exceeding the scope of their authority.

As others have noted, TSA has no business looking for drugs, outstanding arrest warrants, or immigration problems unless it has serious reason to believe that the person involved poses a serious threat to air safety.

I can't wait for the next time TSA tries this crap on me.
?? Hasn't TSA already addressed these issues? Including an alleged TSO who used to post frequently on this forum?

They do not 'look' for drugs or porn or suspicious documents or large sums of money, but they may 'stumble' across evidence of same during the course of their duties, at which time they summon LE.

Once LE has been summoned, LE will check for arrest warrants, immigration violations, etc. LE's mandate, of course, is not limited to air safety.
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Old Aug 14, 12, 12:28 pm
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My reaction to all of this...

Last summer: Yay! Profiling! Look for threats, not weapons!

Last week: Oh man, mission creep. Not that kind of profiling. Who cares if someone has drugs? That's not aviation security.

This week: Crap, here comes the blowback and now we're back to "everybody's a threat."

FWIW, not sure if it's been mentioned, but Terminal A is also the only terminal where there's a Precheck lane. So now I'm really playing the lottery when I go through there.
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