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InkUnderNails Aug 5, 2012 1:01 pm

Just what does this mean? Like in English, please:


a passenger left a checkpoint without proper security screening.
My first thought: No one gets a proper screening, so why is this a big deal?

My second thought: The TSA lets someone walk away without completing screening and 1000's of people are affected? And, just how does someone just walk away? They clear me and I can walk around. They clear my stuff and I can pick it up if I have been cleared. This is only explained by pure incompetence.

Caradoc Aug 5, 2012 2:42 pm


Originally Posted by InkUnderNails (Post 19064282)
This is only explained by pure incompetence.

"This is madness!"

"THIS! IS! TSA!"

RedSnapper Aug 5, 2012 3:30 pm


Originally Posted by Bttc (Post 19064049)
I'd love to see this. Bet you'd get arrested, but it would be worth it--they'd never be able to get a conviction in court(or even a DA to prosecute).

I've personally been walked out by the airport police twice (and counting) at PIT after TATL arrivals. No connection + no warrant = no consent + no search; it's that simple. A polite "no, thank you" and a request to walk out the door will be granted. There is no reason to put up with an unwarranted TSA screening upon arrival.

Back to the main topic, I was there for the infamous "guy walks through an unguarded exit lane" terminal dump at EWR 1.5 years ago. I was already on my airplane, with the door closed, ready to push back when they threw us out. It took close to 2 hours to evacuate the terminal, and a few more to get everyone back in. Thousands of innocent passengers were haphazardly herded through a narrowing corridor to the land-side of the terminal. If ever a terrorist wanted to attack a large group of people in a confined space, the TSA appeared inclined to hand them such a target...in the name of "security", of course.

mules Aug 5, 2012 3:43 pm

It was the second incident that day!
 
There was an earlier problem in the day. The BOMB SQUAD had to clear an oversized bag that hadn't been screened. They are out of their minds.
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/201...al_locked.html

"...In the earlier incident, which occurred at about 6:30 a.m., a large checked bag was sent on to be loaded on board an aircraft before being properly screened, said a statement released by TSA spokeswoman Ann Davis. Officials closed the oversized baggage screening until the bag was found at 7:19 a.m., and the oversized baggage area was reopened. The bomb quad cleared the bag at 9:25am..."

cordelli Aug 5, 2012 4:06 pm

Law enforcement sources told Fox 5 News what officials left out – that the woman had tested positive for residue of possible explosive material on her hands, and slipped away from the TSA before she could be thoroughly screened.

Read more: http://www.myfoxny.com/story/1919978...#ixzz22iCdrhvp

Another story says it happened at 10, which doesn't make any sense if she was on the flight to Cleveland that would have already left.

Then again not much of this makes much sense.

cordelli Aug 5, 2012 4:10 pm

duplicate post, sorry

saulblum Aug 5, 2012 4:34 pm


Originally Posted by cordelli (Post 19065170)
Law enforcement sources told Fox 5 News what officials left out – that the woman had tested positive for residue of possible explosive material on her hands, and slipped away from the TSA before she could be thoroughly screened.

So what was the cost this morning of that false positive combined with TSOs' incompetence?

Caradoc Aug 5, 2012 4:40 pm


Originally Posted by cordelli (Post 19065170)
Law enforcement sources told Fox 5 News what officials left out – that the woman had tested positive for residue of possible explosive material on her hands, and slipped away from the TSA before she could be thoroughly screened.

Translation: more hand lotion than the TSA employee in the nudie-booth...

NY-FLA Aug 5, 2012 5:59 pm


Originally Posted by saulblum (Post 19065277)
So what was the cost this morning of that false positive combined with TSOs' incompetence?

Come now, our favorite TSA shill on these boards has maintained that these tests are "Highly accurate"... and simultaneously claims that he completely understands the concept of false positives, too. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
And when the cost of this world class lunacy runs $8B/year, this morning's antics are but a minor drop in the bucket. :mad:

saulblum Aug 5, 2012 6:18 pm


Originally Posted by NY-FLA (Post 19065578)
Come now, our favorite TSA shill on these boards has maintained that these tests are "Highly accurate"... and simultaneously claims that he completely understands the concept of false positives, too. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
And when the cost of this world class lunacy runs $8B/year, this morning's antics are but a minor drop in the bucket. :mad:

Here are some young victims of the TSA's negligence --

http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2...i_team_st.html

I sure hope none of the adults reassured them with, "I know this is a pain, but in the end it's all for our safety, and we cannot take any chances these days."

goalie Aug 5, 2012 7:33 pm


Originally Posted by cordelli (Post 19065170)
Law enforcement sources told Fox 5 News what officials left out – that the woman had tested positive for residue of possible explosive material on her hands, and slipped away from the TSA before she could be thoroughly screened.

Read more: http://www.myfoxny.com/story/1919978...#ixzz22iCdrhvp

Another story says it happened at 10, which doesn't make any sense if she was on the flight to Cleveland that would have already left.

Then again not much of this makes much sense.

Last sentence bolding mine: Nor does "slipping away" after testing positive under ETD ;)

spd476 Aug 6, 2012 8:40 am

How is someone able to walk away without completing the screening? Especially when that person alarms for explosives, which are the only real threat to a plane. I don't want guns or knives on my plane, but they aren't as much of a threat as a bomb. I have a feeling this woman had no idea anything was wrong and a TSA screener told her it was ok to go.

Why do incidents like this happen at EWR so often? Does the TSA just have a higher level of incompetence there?

cordelli Aug 6, 2012 10:16 am

nj.com/The Star-Ledger update from this morning, I called it

Local officials of the Transportation Security Administration eventually concluded the woman had boarded a United Airlines flight to Cleveland. But the security agency only arrived at its conclusion after the flight had landed in Cleveland at 10:45 a.m., and authorities were never able to talk to the woman or identify her by name.

"She walked out of the checkpoint area before the screening process was complete," Ann Davis, a TSA spokeswoman, said in a statement. "Management at Newark will conduct a comprehensive review of the incident and will take appropriate action."

Caradoc Aug 6, 2012 10:32 am


Originally Posted by spd476 (Post 19068405)
Why do incidents like this happen at EWR so often? Does the TSA just have a higher level of incompetence there?

No, it's the same level of incompetence - it's just that there's more traffic there, and therefore the number of actual non-TSA people affected by a TSA-induced stupidium containment failure is higher.

golfguy714 Aug 6, 2012 10:59 am


Originally Posted by spd476 (Post 19068405)
How is someone able to walk away without completing the screening? Especially when that person alarms for explosives, which are the only real threat to a plane. I don't want guns or knives on my plane, but they aren't as much of a threat as a bomb.

I would bet my farm that the person in question did not alarm for explosives! I have set the EDT machines off all the time and have never handled explosives. I have a hobby farm and handle diesel fuel for my tractors and fertilizers for my fields. Neither of these are explosives per say, but both contain precursors of explosives. The machines can't differentiate between hand lotion and C4. By the way, the plane landed safely at CLE without blowing up in flight. Just another TSA red herring!


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