Newark Security SHUT DOWN - Security Breach
 

Confirmed via person at Newark and breaking news update on ABC at 11 AM.

Happens all the time. ESP in EWR & LAX

Newark website says:

fly.faa.gov says no traffic is allowed to depart for EWR at this time

Newark Security SHUT DOWN - Security Breach
 

Just arrived from FLL. Airport is a mess. Flights arriving but not departing. Security shut down.

This is really silly. First of all, we need more competent TSA who are not distracted on the job, talking about when their shifts end and other jobs they're applying for.

Secondly, at mega-hubs like this, some kind of compartmentalization is needed, so that if/when a breach happens, you don't have to evacuate the entire planet and rescreen...

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/08/...t-hours-apart/

So does this mean the pax will be "questioned" when they arrive in CLE? ;)

More likely everyone on the plane will have to undergo precautionary screening on arrival (including ID and BP, I'm sure) to ensure that the pax didn't hand something evil off to a fellow pax/conspirator. Pity the poor sod on that flight who somehow manages to lose his/her BP during the flight. :rolleyes:

I thought there was a management shake-up not too long ago at EWR that was supposed to help TSA get it together. What is the problem with this airport?

Pity the person who bought a bottle of water in Newark and still has it when they land in Cleveland.

I would guess that since that plane got off on time (one flight was early, one six minutes late), that they had no clue that is where the passenger was. I bet they probably did not figure it out until after it landed and they were long gone.

Or was flying in F and was given a bottle of water by one of the F/A's ;)

Or simply tosses it into the trash can seatback pocket in front of them and (bolding mine) that's a trick question, right? ;)

Oh, there it is. THERE IT IS!!! That's the handoff of a dangerous item from an employee to a passenger. We must now search the entire city of Cleveland and possibly all of Ohio to find this mastermind.

We've discussed this many times: a passenger who is terminating at CLE and declines to be screened. This is a variation on the theme of returning from OCONUS at an airport with no way to exit except through the terminal and refusing screening.

You can bet I will do it of I'm ever caught up in this idiocy.

I'd love to see this. Bet you'd get arrested, but it would be worth it--they'd never be able to get a conviction in court(or even a DA to prosecute).

UA flights EWR-CLE there is a 9:00AM flight, next flight 2:48PM unless the passenger was very early for the 2:48PM flight. I know this becuase I fly this route on a regular basis, last month missed the 9:00AM from a connection
and had to wait till 2:48PM. I did not mind that is I enjoy my time at EWR, expecially at the United Club.
As far as TSA is concerned, how can this happen. Did you see how many TSA employees they have at checkpoints. Even the exit has 2 people ever since some walked through the exit last year.

The question posed in the second phrase is answered in the first phrase.

Just what does this mean? Like in English, please:

My first thought: No one gets a proper screening, so why is this a big deal?

My second thought: The TSA lets someone walk away without completing screening and 1000's of people are affected? And, just how does someone just walk away? They clear me and I can walk around. They clear my stuff and I can pick it up if I have been cleared. This is only explained by pure incompetence.

"This is madness!"

"THIS! IS! TSA!"

I've personally been walked out by the airport police twice (and counting) at PIT after TATL arrivals. No connection + no warrant = no consent + no search; it's that simple. A polite "no, thank you" and a request to walk out the door will be granted. There is no reason to put up with an unwarranted TSA screening upon arrival.

Back to the main topic, I was there for the infamous "guy walks through an unguarded exit lane" terminal dump at EWR 1.5 years ago. I was already on my airplane, with the door closed, ready to push back when they threw us out. It took close to 2 hours to evacuate the terminal, and a few more to get everyone back in. Thousands of innocent passengers were haphazardly herded through a narrowing corridor to the land-side of the terminal. If ever a terrorist wanted to attack a large group of people in a confined space, the TSA appeared inclined to hand them such a target...in the name of "security", of course.

It was the second incident that day!
 

There was an earlier problem in the day. The BOMB SQUAD had to clear an oversized bag that hadn't been screened. They are out of their minds.
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/201...al_locked.html

"...In the earlier incident, which occurred at about 6:30 a.m., a large checked bag was sent on to be loaded on board an aircraft before being properly screened, said a statement released by TSA spokeswoman Ann Davis. Officials closed the oversized baggage screening until the bag was found at 7:19 a.m., and the oversized baggage area was reopened. The bomb quad cleared the bag at 9:25am..."

Law enforcement sources told Fox 5 News what officials left out – that the woman had tested positive for residue of possible explosive material on her hands, and slipped away from the TSA before she could be thoroughly screened.

Read more: http://www.myfoxny.com/story/1919978...#ixzz22iCdrhvp

Another story says it happened at 10, which doesn't make any sense if she was on the flight to Cleveland that would have already left.

Then again not much of this makes much sense.

duplicate post, sorry

So what was the cost this morning of that false positive combined with TSOs' incompetence?

Translation: more hand lotion than the TSA employee in the nudie-booth...

Come now, our favorite TSA shill on these boards has maintained that these tests are "Highly accurate"... and simultaneously claims that he completely understands the concept of false positives, too. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
And when the cost of this world class lunacy runs $8B/year, this morning's antics are but a minor drop in the bucket. :mad:

Here are some young victims of the TSA's negligence --

http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2...i_team_st.html

I sure hope none of the adults reassured them with, "I know this is a pain, but in the end it's all for our safety, and we cannot take any chances these days."

Last sentence bolding mine: Nor does "slipping away" after testing positive under ETD ;)

How is someone able to walk away without completing the screening? Especially when that person alarms for explosives, which are the only real threat to a plane. I don't want guns or knives on my plane, but they aren't as much of a threat as a bomb. I have a feeling this woman had no idea anything was wrong and a TSA screener told her it was ok to go.

Why do incidents like this happen at EWR so often? Does the TSA just have a higher level of incompetence there?

nj.com/The Star-Ledger update from this morning, I called it

Local officials of the Transportation Security Administration eventually concluded the woman had boarded a United Airlines flight to Cleveland. But the security agency only arrived at its conclusion after the flight had landed in Cleveland at 10:45 a.m., and authorities were never able to talk to the woman or identify her by name.

"She walked out of the checkpoint area before the screening process was complete," Ann Davis, a TSA spokeswoman, said in a statement. "Management at Newark will conduct a comprehensive review of the incident and will take appropriate action."

No, it's the same level of incompetence - it's just that there's more traffic there, and therefore the number of actual non-TSA people affected by a TSA-induced stupidium containment failure is higher.

I would bet my farm that the person in question did not alarm for explosives! I have set the EDT machines off all the time and have never handled explosives. I have a hobby farm and handle diesel fuel for my tractors and fertilizers for my fields. Neither of these are explosives per say, but both contain precursors of explosives. The machines can't differentiate between hand lotion and C4. By the way, the plane landed safely at CLE without blowing up in flight. Just another TSA red herring!

If they were passing through security at 8:45 as they are now saying, and the flight leaves at 9, they were probably not thinking about anything but getting through this silly line and to the gate.

The flight left at 8:52 (eight minutes early) so I really don't possibly see how the 8:45 time makes any sense, though it was at C104, which is fairly close to security. They probably have no clue they caused any issue and she's probably telling people hey, I was on that flight, I wonder who it was?

"She walked out." It's all her fault. "She walked OUT!"

At least they narrowed the culprit down to some woman going to Cleveland. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Of course she didn't, but the TSA can't say "she tested positive for Jurgens".

Uh-oh. What happened now? Not another security breach in EWR yet again.

Better not do it again!

Yeah! Shame on TSA!!! Naughty!! Naughty!! This is so ridiculous!!! :mad::mad:

Exactly! She was slipping away from ETD. She had a positive explosives. I believe they already got her in CLE. I can't figure it out why.

Maybe that's how she "slipped" away?

But, is Cleveland ok?...:D

Yes, she is doing just fine and she doesn't have any problem during her flight.

No Scott, it was an attempt at a bad joke that I can't really figure how to write into a more sign language syntax, but I was asking about the city itself in cheesy joking matter because we wouldn't want anything to happen to Cleveland :D

One of the online news sites

Poll: Did TSA Overreact at Newark Airport?

The choices are

Did the TSA overreact Sunday when it delayed or canceled 165 flights at Newark Liberty?

Yes. And they're incompetent, too, for letting a woman just walk away.

Yes, but I don't blame them for losing the woman.

No, we can't be too careful at our airports.

Other (tell us is the comments).


It's early, only 13 votes, but ten of them choose option 1, the rest choosing anything for security.

FOXNY.com: TSA Adminstrator Pistole claims that Newark(EWR) has been improved
 

Here is some reporting from Fox 5 News Reporter Lisa Evers:

MYFOXNY.com:
TSA chief: improvements made at Newark Airport
Posted: Monday, September 17, 2012 10:11 PM EST
Updated: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 7:58 AM EST

A short quote:I wonder how much of the report was cut-and-pasted from this thread? :p
and

"Transportation Security Administration (TSA) officials at EWR have made substantial improvements to their screening operations to help prevent future security incidents," TSA Administrator John Pistole said in the memo. "EWR has improved and streamlined its processes in regard to remedial training and discipline of individuals involved in security incidents."

The TSA said it has improved communications with Port Authority police and briefed all TSA shifts on the need to pay attention to detail.