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Originally Posted by medic51vrf
(Post 18941199)
Just so I'm understanding what you're saying, you're telling me that the TRANSPORT SAFETY Authority has no business in not allowing you to bring detailed plans on how to destroy an aircraft onto said aircraft? :confused::confused::confused:
If so, we are miles apart on this one. How do aeronautical charts of any kind threaten flight safety? If I won't promise to not say boo are you going to feel unsafe? |
Take the DTW FSD to small claims court.
I am serious. |
Originally Posted by Combat Medic
(Post 18941234)
I've got a book that describes how to make a nuclear bomb. Should the TSA take it from me before I get on a plane?
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Originally Posted by medic51vrf
(Post 18941336)
True, but to the TSA the (possibly) associated mens rea might....
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Originally Posted by medic51vrf
(Post 18940945)
Thanks for showing an interest in my safety.
Mike |
Originally Posted by Boggie Dog
(Post 18941346)
How would such plans threaten that flight?
How do aeronautical charts of any kind threaten flight safety? If I won't promise to not say boo are you going to feel unsafe? They proably don't and I never suggested that they did. I never mentioned a single word about me feeling unsafe. I only spoke about what THE TSA might think was unsafe and how making them feel so (or disrespected) would not work to the OPs advantage. |
Originally Posted by Boggie Dog
(Post 18941373)
So should TSA confiscates books that have murder plots as a theme?
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Originally Posted by mikeef
(Post 18941383)
How on Earth was the TSO showing any interest in the OP's safety?
Mike |
Originally Posted by medic51vrf
(Post 18941407)
Do you really not understand how a person holding detailed written plans on how to build a bomb and get said device onto an aircraft might be viewed as a threat when attempting to board a commercial airliner?
If he was really going to blow the plane up, most likely he'd have figured out to do it without carrying the instructions.... |
Originally Posted by medic51vrf
(Post 18941430)
Nope... And totally irrelevant to this conversation, unless the book was a "how to" manual about commiting a murder on an aircraft.
Unless you think that only books with 72-point titles shouting "HOW TO BRING A BOMB ONTO AN AIRCRAFT" are worthy of scrutiny. Or unless you are trolling. |
Originally Posted by lovely15
(Post 18941438)
I don't see that as a threat.
If he was really going to blow the plane up, most likely he'd have figured out to do it without carrying the instructions.... |
Originally Posted by lovely15
(Post 18941438)
I don't see that as a threat.
If he was really going to blow the plane up, most likely he'd have figured out to do it without carrying the instructions.... The TSA is a multi-flawed organization and, generally speaking, the people they hire as TSOs are poorly educated, poorly trained people who have literally seconds to make decisions that they don't have the experience and training to make. I'm in no way disputing that, nor am I sticking up for them. I also don't feel that what they did to you was legally or morally correct. My point (nothing more, nothing less) was that when dealing with authority figures (regardless of whether you're legally or morally right or wrong) getting them off side is never a wise move. This is ESPECIALLY true when dealing with under educated, under trained people who have a huge amount of authority, such as TSOs. |
Originally Posted by Boggie Dog
(Post 18940907)
No TSA cannot confiscate items. At least not legally.
TSA must give the traveler a choice to give the item to someone else, check it in checked luggage, return it to their car, or mail it to themselves. The OP had his/her property stolen by a TSA employee. That TSA employee should be charged for theft and tried in a court of law. There can be no tolerance for TSA abuse of the public and it will not stop until these TSA criminals are taken to task. |
Originally Posted by medic51vrf
(Post 18941407)
Do you really not understand how a person holding detailed written plans on how to build a bomb and get said device onto an aircraft might be viewed as a threat when attempting to board a commercial airliner?
Now, what if the book is in Arabic (or any other language not spoken by the screener). Is it any less dangerous because the TSA has no idea what it says? Should they let it pass? Should they confiscate all books or papers that the screeners can not understand? I realize that I'm going a bit overboard here, but the fact is that the OP's airline charts are: 1. legal to own 2. not prohibited by TSA policy (except maybe those super secret policies that we can't see but are still expected to abide by) 3. not particularly suspicious The TSA screener in question had no more right to demand to see a pilot ID and then confiscate the charts than he would to see a medical license if someone is carrying a copy of the New England Journal of Medicine. |
Originally Posted by RxFlyer
(Post 18941562)
The TSA screener in question had no more right to demand to see a pilot ID and then confiscate the charts than he would to see a medical license if someone is carrying a copy of the New England Journal of Medicine.
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