TSA and foreigners.!
Jun 4, 2012 | 6:17 pm
#46
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Two possible solutions for you:
* Perhaps your family would be interested in meeting you in Canada. Assuming you live someplace relative close and could drive or take the train across the border, you could both avoid TSA.
* Transatlantic cruises are supposed to be wonderful! And repositioning cruises are apparently very cost-effective. What I would give to be on a boat for 5 or 6 days without stopping in any ports. Ah, heaven! I could spend hours just staring at the sea.
* Perhaps your family would be interested in meeting you in Canada. Assuming you live someplace relative close and could drive or take the train across the border, you could both avoid TSA.
* Transatlantic cruises are supposed to be wonderful! And repositioning cruises are apparently very cost-effective. What I would give to be on a boat for 5 or 6 days without stopping in any ports. Ah, heaven! I could spend hours just staring at the sea.
How ever. I get sea sick very easy and I love the water(S).
They cant do it cause they have a limited time to travel.You know time off work. Other's dont want to be on the boat with kids for that long.
It is going to be me going back on the plane.
Jun 4, 2012 | 6:25 pm
#47
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Based on your posts and threads (which is the only way most readers can get to 'know' someone online), I do think that it would be helpful to aid you best understand relative risk and the outcome of certain actions. Your posts to me do have a certain message and hence my suggestion that if this really is such a concern to you as it appears, it may be useful to have assistance so that you can see your family again.
It's not about being 'a sheep'. It's about realising that we all can have some control over outcomes, and if we go looking for certain experiences, we may find them.
Again, the vast majority of people (Americans and foreigners) travel every single day in the US without lasting impact. Some of them choose to use the scanner, some of them opt out, some are unable to use the scanner. The stories we read here and hear about are the exceptions to the rule. Of course there are more such stories which go unreported, but the risk of something very negative occuring is still relatively low. Every person needs to assess that risk, and if it worries them, then they need to do what they can to minimize the chances of something occurring.
My advice to anyone would be to remain civil and calm, avoid becoming defensive or argumentative, even whilst standing up for oneself. That generally had a better impact on the outcome, even if it requires escalating the issue. In reality, behaviours at the checkpoint most likely have a greater impact on the outcome than citizenship or age. (I am certainly not stating that everyone who had a bad checkpoint experience brought it on themselves, but I have read enough over the years and seen enough in person to realise that some people look for conflict and find just what they expected to find)
It's not about being 'a sheep'. It's about realising that we all can have some control over outcomes, and if we go looking for certain experiences, we may find them.
Again, the vast majority of people (Americans and foreigners) travel every single day in the US without lasting impact. Some of them choose to use the scanner, some of them opt out, some are unable to use the scanner. The stories we read here and hear about are the exceptions to the rule. Of course there are more such stories which go unreported, but the risk of something very negative occuring is still relatively low. Every person needs to assess that risk, and if it worries them, then they need to do what they can to minimize the chances of something occurring.
My advice to anyone would be to remain civil and calm, avoid becoming defensive or argumentative, even whilst standing up for oneself. That generally had a better impact on the outcome, even if it requires escalating the issue. In reality, behaviours at the checkpoint most likely have a greater impact on the outcome than citizenship or age. (I am certainly not stating that everyone who had a bad checkpoint experience brought it on themselves, but I have read enough over the years and seen enough in person to realise that some people look for conflict and find just what they expected to find)
I really dont understand that part.
I am very nice and calm. A peace keeper.
BUT any one pushes my limit I will get back at that person.
If I get treated at the last time I travelled. I will be very loud.
so what is the problem with that?
Jun 4, 2012 | 11:02 pm
#48
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Two possible solutions for you:
* Perhaps your family would be interested in meeting you in Canada. Assuming you live someplace relative close and could drive or take the train across the border, you could both avoid TSA.
* Transatlantic cruises are supposed to be wonderful! And repositioning cruises are apparently very cost-effective. What I would give to be on a boat for 5 or 6 days without stopping in any ports. Ah, heaven! I could spend hours just staring at the sea.
* Perhaps your family would be interested in meeting you in Canada. Assuming you live someplace relative close and could drive or take the train across the border, you could both avoid TSA.
* Transatlantic cruises are supposed to be wonderful! And repositioning cruises are apparently very cost-effective. What I would give to be on a boat for 5 or 6 days without stopping in any ports. Ah, heaven! I could spend hours just staring at the sea.
Jun 5, 2012 | 11:25 am
#49
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Jun 5, 2012 | 11:30 am
#50
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Wow, sorry to hear about that. I assume because you got "smacked" that you've filed assault and battery charges against them? If not, why not, and if so, you probably shouldn't be putting your case out there on FT if it's still pending.
Jun 5, 2012 | 12:04 pm
#51
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But I got so suprised and speach less and did not know I could do that against an TSO.
I was in a hurry to fly to SWEDEN and my mom's 80 birthday.
If it would happen now I would.
Jun 5, 2012 | 12:08 pm
#52
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Also I need help to travel? When my family will not travel here?so I need counseling because of that?
I really dont understand that part.
I am very nice and calm. A peace keeper.
BUT any one pushes my limit I will get back at that person.
If I get treated at the last time I travelled. I will be very loud.
so what is the problem with that?
I really dont understand that part.
I am very nice and calm. A peace keeper.
BUT any one pushes my limit I will get back at that person.
If I get treated at the last time I travelled. I will be very loud.
so what is the problem with that?
A better way to handle it is to remain calm, polite, and do not raise your voice. Ask for a supervisor if necessary. But if you become belligerent, or argumentative, or shout, you may find that things become even worse.
Many of us fly every week here and do voice our concerns, and do escalate issues to a higher level, but do so calmly and politely. That doesn't make us sheep.
Jun 5, 2012 | 12:14 pm
#53
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Well, it's likely still under the statute of limitations. I'm a bit surprised you felt in the U.S. that government officials could assault people and that was legal? How long have you lived here from SWEDEN?
Jun 5, 2012 | 12:21 pm
#55
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I have lived here since 1994.
And yes I do know it sounds suprsing. It does that even to me after that trip was over and done.
Not at all like me to be quiet.