Significant bedside manner changes at TSA?
#1
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Significant bedside manner changes at TSA?
Has anyone else noticed this? There seems to be a charm offensive going on, or perhaps better training focused on "customer" relations.
I always opt out. And I've had many patdowns. When nudiescans were first introduced and there was more of a selection process rather than a herding process, I seemed to get 'randomly' selected fairly regularly. As you are doubtless aware, when the 'enhanced' patdowns first reared their ugly head they were vigorous. Full-on touching of the "resistance". There was also alot of barking and questioning of one's opting out.
However, over the past few months I have noticed a significant demeanor change by the clerks: more smiling, less barking. Last week it was even over-the-top:
Me: "I'm opting out."
Clerk: "Absolutely. That's no problem. That's your choice. Have you been through this before?"
Me: "Many times."
Clerk: "Ok, if you would just wait over here for a moment please."
No barking or yelling of "Opt out!". Another clerk even gathered my trays and brought them over to where I was standing. The pat down stopped several inches short of "resistance". There was no apparent concern as to wether this frequent traveller suddenly woke up one day and decided to carry WMD in his boxer shorts. I actually felt like something other than a suspect. It was fascinating.
Two weeks ago I was even smiled at in St Louis, of all places. Week before that, I was unmolested in Boston. (I know...)
What say you? Charm directive? Better training? Better hiring? Or have I just been on a lucky streak? Or.... is this just a function of a natural waning of intensity from those charged with performing 'enhanced' pat downs?
And, finally, can we still feel "Safe" (TM) in the absence of high strung, coarsely ground safety "officers" placing their hands on our genitalia?
I always opt out. And I've had many patdowns. When nudiescans were first introduced and there was more of a selection process rather than a herding process, I seemed to get 'randomly' selected fairly regularly. As you are doubtless aware, when the 'enhanced' patdowns first reared their ugly head they were vigorous. Full-on touching of the "resistance". There was also alot of barking and questioning of one's opting out.
However, over the past few months I have noticed a significant demeanor change by the clerks: more smiling, less barking. Last week it was even over-the-top:
Me: "I'm opting out."
Clerk: "Absolutely. That's no problem. That's your choice. Have you been through this before?"
Me: "Many times."
Clerk: "Ok, if you would just wait over here for a moment please."
No barking or yelling of "Opt out!". Another clerk even gathered my trays and brought them over to where I was standing. The pat down stopped several inches short of "resistance". There was no apparent concern as to wether this frequent traveller suddenly woke up one day and decided to carry WMD in his boxer shorts. I actually felt like something other than a suspect. It was fascinating.
Two weeks ago I was even smiled at in St Louis, of all places. Week before that, I was unmolested in Boston. (I know...)
What say you? Charm directive? Better training? Better hiring? Or have I just been on a lucky streak? Or.... is this just a function of a natural waning of intensity from those charged with performing 'enhanced' pat downs?
And, finally, can we still feel "Safe" (TM) in the absence of high strung, coarsely ground safety "officers" placing their hands on our genitalia?
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Probably an attempt into lulling you into a false sense of "security" before they roll out the body cavity searches.
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Well, judging by the recent reports of pax being screened at destination after terminal breaches, I'm wondering whether the next step they roll out will be random screenings of entire aircraft at their destination, "out of an abundance of caution" because the screenings at departure are still missing 70% of all test objects and a bunch of real threats, including five pounds of undisguised, unhidden, plainly labeled C4 high explosive in a bag that was supposed to be given a thorough secondary search after a smoke grenade was discovered in it.
Or maybe I'm just being cynical. After all, they're from the government, they're only here to help us, right?
Or maybe I'm just being cynical. After all, they're from the government, they're only here to help us, right?
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Time will tell. I have also seen a uptick in manners similar to FlyingCowboy. With the new scanners making a mess of SNA, the screener was apologetic with the delays and my subsequent opt-out pat down. Granted, this is southern CA so there is a different attitude. I am though PHL 5 times in the next two weeks so that will be a better test.
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It's really to condition the sheeple so when they start coming to our doors to conduct unlawful searches of our houses they will not be met with resistance.
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I think the groping has settled down a bit, but it may be because some screeners are finally getting it - no matter how punitive, there are always going to be some folks who have to be groped anyway - folks physically unable to use the NoS and 'resolution' gropes to clear scan anomalies. I think it really does take a hard core personality to keep up the 'attitude' all day, every day.
I also think the abusive gropes have lessened a bit because of the ATR (?). I think many of the post-BSX gropes are due to 1) overkill - peeper should/could have identified the anomaly and that is the only area that should have been groped and 2) I think many post-BSX gropes were because a lazy peeper found it easier to report 'anomaly' than to pay attention and do the job.
One of our 'good apples' posted here about going to ATL to train on the BSX/MMW. He gave a great report on his experiences elsewhere, including his first-hand observation that yes, posters were telling the truth, other airports do bark and yell. He demonstrated to a skeptical checkpoint LTSO (?) that random barking wasn't as effective (or conducive to a positive checkpoint atmosphere for pax or TSOs) as normal voice 'coaching' of pax.
I wish he could go back and observe the same checkpoint to see if the lessons he demonstrated 'took' or if they're back to random barking.
I also think the abusive gropes have lessened a bit because of the ATR (?). I think many of the post-BSX gropes are due to 1) overkill - peeper should/could have identified the anomaly and that is the only area that should have been groped and 2) I think many post-BSX gropes were because a lazy peeper found it easier to report 'anomaly' than to pay attention and do the job.
One of our 'good apples' posted here about going to ATL to train on the BSX/MMW. He gave a great report on his experiences elsewhere, including his first-hand observation that yes, posters were telling the truth, other airports do bark and yell. He demonstrated to a skeptical checkpoint LTSO (?) that random barking wasn't as effective (or conducive to a positive checkpoint atmosphere for pax or TSOs) as normal voice 'coaching' of pax.
I wish he could go back and observe the same checkpoint to see if the lessons he demonstrated 'took' or if they're back to random barking.
#10
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At the moment, some clerks may have backed off. Or perhaps the upper management has backed off, for the moment. But this remains a highly hostile situation---when at anytime of a clerk's choosing, he or she can, if they choose, feel your genitalia for no reason other than that they want to and can. Sorry, but I remain unimpressed, and not flying. I turned down a free trip to SEA yesterday, and normally, I love to fly.
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Command and control is so discombobulated at TSA, I don't think you can point to a system-wide change in any direction. TSA culture is Balkanized by airport. Within the last few months I've had positive opt-out experiences at JFK and SEA, very negative and confrontational ones at PHX and, again, SEA. Some TSOs are cordial and reasonable, some definitely not. I don't think the top brass could orchestrate a "charm offensive" if they wanted to.
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Command and control is so discombobulated at TSA, I don't think you can point to a system-wide change in any direction. TSA culture is Balkanized by airport. Within the last few months I've had positive opt-out experiences at JFK and SEA, very negative and confrontational ones at PHX and, again, SEA. Some TSOs are cordial and reasonable, some definitely not. I don't think the top brass could orchestrate a "charm offensive" if they wanted to.
I think some individual TSOs are getting tired of the groping, bored with the whole hassle. Life was easier for them, too, when it was 'just' WTMDs and wandings.
But there are still plenty of 'bad apples' around, and even at the FSD level, there's clearly no coherent control of what goes on.
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I stepped into the ATR last week and the observer noticed I had forgotten to take off my belt. When he pointed it out, I began to go back out to put it through the xray and he said to just hand it to him. When the scan was done he handed it back remarking that the scan will show a problem if it is on.
I got a green and was on my way.
I was a bit floored by it.
I got a green and was on my way.
I was a bit floored by it.
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Once a crap-shoot, always a crap-shoot with the TSA it seems.


