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Old Nov 21, 2011 | 5:55 pm
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I have two words for this a$$hat..... General Population
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Old Nov 21, 2011 | 6:07 pm
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Originally Posted by OldGoat
Separate question for all: Any guesses on how many TSOs will have to be arrested in a year before the above boilerplate quote is updated/changed?
49,998.

It's gonna be a long bus ride:

"Forty-nine thousand nine hundred and ninety-nine TSOs on the job,
Forty-nine thousand nine hundred and ninety-nine TSOs,
If one of those "officers" should happen to get arrested,
Forty-nine thousand nine hundred and ninety-eight TSOs on the job."
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Old Nov 21, 2011 | 6:07 pm
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Originally Posted by OldGoat
Unlike the other Bad Apples, this one apparently flashed his badge at the victim. It's time the TSA took those worthless pieces of tin away from the TSOs. The badge presents an illusion of authority that can all too readily be misused.
It is unfortunately NOT the first incident.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...76Q60U20110727

Give undereducated cop-wannabes power, and as others have stated, this turns into a giant Stanford Prison Experiment.
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Old Nov 21, 2011 | 8:02 pm
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Originally Posted by RadioGirl
49,998.

It's gonna be a long bus ride:

"Forty-nine thousand nine hundred and ninety-nine TSOs on the job,
Forty-nine thousand nine hundred and ninety-nine TSOs,
If one of those "officers" should happen to get arrested,
Forty-nine thousand nine hundred and ninety-eight TSOs on the job."
<gasp> Still singing, but it's gonna be a looong bus ride through a long night! We have to do this in shifts so we don't all wear out our voices at the same time. Keep singing together!

"Forty-nine thousand nine hundred and ninety-seven TSOs on the job"

(knock one down and pass 'em around.... )
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Old Nov 21, 2011 | 8:28 pm
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Originally Posted by FliesWay2Much
...courtesy of Channel 9. I'm certain I have seen him as well.

http://wusa9.com/news/article/175931...Sexual-Assault

At 0345, what was he doing wearing his uniform, unless he was on his way to Dulles. According to the articles, he approached his victims while they were in their car, pretending he was doing a traffic stop or homeland security stop.

If he lawyers up, he should make his case based on the fact that what he did to the woman is permitted by the courts at airports.

Too bad Nico lives in LA, or he would be all over this already. Who knows? We may have to rely on Greg Soule or even Kristin herself.
Channel 5, Fox News, confirmed that he works at IAD. I am certain I've seen him.

And yes, they repeated the quote about "not wanting it to reflect badly on other screeners". I think folks queued up for the strip-search machines ought to know that this is exactly the kind of thing that folks operating the strip-search machines & doing the h nads-on are capable of doing.
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Old Nov 21, 2011 | 8:32 pm
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[QUOTE=OldGoat;17494097]Question for TSA: How many arrests will it take before it DOES reflect on the "security" officers?

Separate question for all: Any guesses on how many TSOs will have to be arrested in a year before the above boilerplate quote is updated/changed?[/QUOTE]

Bolding mine.

How about now??

Unfortunately, TSA is not able to hold its personnel to the highest professional and ethical standards. After all, look at whos heading DHS and TSA. What do you expect? As to investigating all allegations of misconduct, its simply impossible to do. There are simply too many. We just throw the reports in the trash. TSA does work closely with local law enforcement on these matters but unfortunately, local law enforcement considers us pretty much as a joke. The disturbing allegations against this individual does reflect the work of the more than 50,000 clerks who every day jeopardize the security of the traveling public. But what can we do?
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Old Nov 21, 2011 | 8:36 pm
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Originally Posted by OldGoat
Question for TSA: How many arrests will it take before it DOES reflect on the "security" officers?
Zero.

The reason TSA keeps insisting that these sorts of things don't reflect on the rest of the force is that, in fact, they do reflect on the rest of the force --- and always have. Otherwise, there would be no reason to fire such workers; TSA could simply let the court system deal with them.

At some point, TSA will realize what it already knows and demonstrates by its own actions, and start speaking honestly about the effect that such actions have on its reputation. But it may take quite some time for it to get there.
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Old Nov 21, 2011 | 9:32 pm
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I guess he was tired of fondling male "junk" at the airport -- and wanted a taste of what his female counterparts get to officially do on the job...

Fire them all and save the US $60+ Billion per year!
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Old Nov 21, 2011 | 9:57 pm
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Originally Posted by VelvetJones
I'm sure the local propaganda ministers will be on here to defend their beloved employer(you know who you are), but I have this question for them. Take any similar sized company, such as Microsoft or HP, and see how many people in a given year are arrested for child porn, rape, theft, etc. I guarantee it isn't anywhere near the number arrested from the TSA. The rot starts at the top and only gets worse on its way down.
The difference is that sexual predators are DRAWN to the TSA because of the nature of the work.

Ford and General motors attracts people who like working on cars.

Microsoft attracts people who like working with computers.

Hospitals attract people who like to heal people.

TSA attracts people who enjoy rubbing crotches of children, adults and the elderly.
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Old Nov 21, 2011 | 11:36 pm
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Originally Posted by FliesWay2Much
http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/lo...134257998.html
Rodman has been charged with aggravated sexual battery, object sexual penetration, forcible sodomy and abduction with intent to defile.

Police said Rodman was wearing his TSA uniform during the assault.

Rodman was immediately removed from security operations pending an investigation, according to the TSA.
I spoke too soon (see above):
Yah, he was immediately removed from security operations but not by the TSA and not pending investigation. It's pending trial and conviction. He was arrested by the police, arraigned and ordered held without bond until trial by the judge.

The TSA had absolutely nothing to do with his removal from security operations. Unless they conduct the security operations in the local lockup. The police and the judge removed him from security operations and, at least for the moment, from society. Trial is in January.

As for the TSA saying "The Privacy Act precludes the agency from disclosing..." well, fortunately, the courtrooms in the country are, for the moment, public places and the record is public. Someone in Manassas might want to publish the court proceedings to save the TSA the embarrassment of having to repeat that old saw.

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Old Nov 22, 2011 | 1:36 am
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Originally Posted by FliesWay2Much

I spoke too soon (see above):

Quote:
"TSA holds its personnel to the highest professional and ethical standards, and investigates all allegations of misconduct," read a statement from the TSA. "TSA is working closely with local law enforcement on this matter. The disturbing allegations against this individual in no way reflect the work of the more than 50,000 security officers who every day ensure the security of the traveling public."
Implying that there is one bad apple and >50,000 good apples. What a pointless statement.
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Old Nov 22, 2011 | 9:16 am
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Originally Posted by ylwae
Implying that there is one bad apple and >50,000 good apples. What a pointless statement.
I understand what TSA is trying to say in the statement, and there is a point to it. What TSA should say is something like this:

"Actions such as this reflect badly on the 50,000 TSA employees who perform their assigned duties properly, and would never endorse such actions. For their sake, we will prosecute this ne'er-do-well to the fullest extent permitted by law."

But I doubt we'll see a statement like that.
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Old Nov 22, 2011 | 9:25 am
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Another case of 'Respect my Authorita!' That should add to the punishment since he is only allowed to assault you at the airport. But he is protecting us for evil, right?
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Old Nov 22, 2011 | 9:44 am
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Thumbs down will he continue to draw a paycheck in jail?

How long will he continue to draw his TSA paycheck? How long before he is actually terminated? We taxpayers will be paying this scumbag while he's in jail awaiting trial. Can he be fired for being arrested, before he is convicted?
Probably not. Innocent until proven guilty. He'll most likely be put on administrative leave and we'll keep paying his salary.
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Old Nov 22, 2011 | 10:03 am
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Originally Posted by susiesan
How long will he continue to draw his TSA paycheck? How long before he is actually terminated? We taxpayers will be paying this scumbag while he's in jail awaiting trial. Can he be fired for being arrested, before he is convicted?
Probably not. Innocent until proven guilty. He'll most likely be put on administrative leave and we'll keep paying his salary.
And sadly, he will be afforded the full protection of the Bill of Rights. The very same rights we are denied by him and his employer.
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