Reprimanded for Photographing UA Check in Desks at JFK
Aug 10, 2011, 12:00 pm
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I wouldn't bother writing UA a letter - they don't care. The new CO management has yet to bash the paranoia out of their twitty heads.
I love the flash mob idea - as we could target both the PA facilities and UA at the same time. I should be in NY this fall for sure and perhaps we can get a big group together (needs to be at least 25 people) to hit the UA terminal at JFK and start taking pictures of everything.
I love the flash mob idea - as we could target both the PA facilities and UA at the same time. I should be in NY this fall for sure and perhaps we can get a big group together (needs to be at least 25 people) to hit the UA terminal at JFK and start taking pictures of everything.
Aug 10, 2011, 12:03 pm
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I wouldn't bother writing UA a letter - they don't care. The new CO management has yet to bash the paranoia out of their twitty heads.
I love the flash mob idea - as we could target both the PA facilities and UA at the same time. I should be in NY this fall for sure and perhaps we can get a big group together (needs to be at least 25 people) to hit the UA terminal at JFK and start taking pictures of everything.
I love the flash mob idea - as we could target both the PA facilities and UA at the same time. I should be in NY this fall for sure and perhaps we can get a big group together (needs to be at least 25 people) to hit the UA terminal at JFK and start taking pictures of everything.
Aug 10, 2011, 12:32 pm
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Aug 10, 2011, 12:34 pm
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I wouldn't bother writing UA a letter - they don't care. The new CO management has yet to bash the paranoia out of their twitty heads.
I love the flash mob idea - as we could target both the PA facilities and UA at the same time. I should be in NY this fall for sure and perhaps we can get a big group together (needs to be at least 25 people) to hit the UA terminal at JFK and start taking pictures of everything.
I love the flash mob idea - as we could target both the PA facilities and UA at the same time. I should be in NY this fall for sure and perhaps we can get a big group together (needs to be at least 25 people) to hit the UA terminal at JFK and start taking pictures of everything.
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Aug 10, 2011, 12:44 pm
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Aug 10, 2011, 12:44 pm
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Why would the cameras need to be non-working? If we have a big enough group and everyone is huddled together, what are they going to do, tackle 25 people and wrestle their cameras away?
Aug 10, 2011, 12:48 pm
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Aug 10, 2011, 12:52 pm
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TSA/police: "No photos allowed"
pax: (smiles) Yes sir.
TSA/police: "Give me your camera. You have to show/delete any pics".
pax: OK, here you are.
TSA/police: "It's not working. There are no batteries. There are no pics."
pax: "Yes sir". (smiles)
TSA/police: (hands camera back)
pax: (points camera at TSA/police, snaps 'picture'). "Have a nice day"
Aug 10, 2011, 1:12 pm
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What you refer to as a law is actually a United policy. We strive to make its customer experience safe and comfortable and accordingly issued the following policy in regard to the use of personal audio and video equipment. This policy is not a contract and does not create any legal rights or obligations.
Unauthorized photography, audio, or video recording of airline personnel, aircraft equipment, or procedures is always prohibited. Any voice, audio, video, or other photography (motion or still), recording, or transmission while on any United Airlines aircraft or in the terminal is strictly prohibited, except to the extent specifically permitted by United Airlines.
Insistence on violating any one of these prohibitions could lead to arrest or being placed on the "no-fly list". Those results are extreme but are possible depending on the environment at the time. I hope this information helps.
Unauthorized photography, audio, or video recording of airline personnel, aircraft equipment, or procedures is always prohibited. Any voice, audio, video, or other photography (motion or still), recording, or transmission while on any United Airlines aircraft or in the terminal is strictly prohibited, except to the extent specifically permitted by United Airlines.
Insistence on violating any one of these prohibitions could lead to arrest or being placed on the "no-fly list". Those results are extreme but are possible depending on the environment at the time. I hope this information helps.
Not saying it's right or wrong, but it's their policy and they enforce it.
It took her two weeks to get a response, so be patient.
Aug 10, 2011, 2:25 pm
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Aug 10, 2011, 5:28 pm
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I'll reserve my judgment until the OP clarifies, not somebody who wasn't there who keeps presenting a series of increasingly unlikely hypotheticals.
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Aug 10, 2011, 7:23 pm
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be seen. I don't know of any successful challenges to it. It is certainly enforced.
As one who has had problems with JFK and photography, I have spoken to the Port Authority.
During our conversation, I was told "we really can't stop you from taking pictures" ... "but for security reasons we train our guards to stop and confront people who attempt to take pictures"
From my conversation, it's my understanding they know they can't legally prohibit photography, but they want to discourage it ..they gave me their reasons why - I didn't completely agree, but I didn't say anything, just listened. For those taking pictures, they want to know who they are.
In the end, I was "given permission" to take photos, but they wanted to know who I was, where I was from, and what the photos were for.
Its been my experience there are certain areas of JFK where the PA is strict with photography and there are other areas where its never been an issue.
I have spoken to attorneys who specialize in 1st Amendment / Photography issues. In my case from the confrontation I had over photography, I would have no damages as I was ultimately allowed to photograph in the end.
The attorney I spoke with said the PA has been a problem for quite some time; while the airport terminals are public and they are a government body, the PA like's to pretend they're private because they're self-funded (i.e. they do not collect taxes). Their revenue comes from tolls, tickets, and leases/rents.
At the end of the day, I've been advised it is a public (govt owned) area like a sidewalk where no expectation of privacy exists. I don't know why the PA is so averse to photography, but they are.
During our conversation, I was told "we really can't stop you from taking pictures" ... "but for security reasons we train our guards to stop and confront people who attempt to take pictures"
From my conversation, it's my understanding they know they can't legally prohibit photography, but they want to discourage it ..they gave me their reasons why - I didn't completely agree, but I didn't say anything, just listened. For those taking pictures, they want to know who they are.
In the end, I was "given permission" to take photos, but they wanted to know who I was, where I was from, and what the photos were for.
Its been my experience there are certain areas of JFK where the PA is strict with photography and there are other areas where its never been an issue.
I have spoken to attorneys who specialize in 1st Amendment / Photography issues. In my case from the confrontation I had over photography, I would have no damages as I was ultimately allowed to photograph in the end.
The attorney I spoke with said the PA has been a problem for quite some time; while the airport terminals are public and they are a government body, the PA like's to pretend they're private because they're self-funded (i.e. they do not collect taxes). Their revenue comes from tolls, tickets, and leases/rents.
At the end of the day, I've been advised it is a public (govt owned) area like a sidewalk where no expectation of privacy exists. I don't know why the PA is so averse to photography, but they are.