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Old Aug 5, 2011 | 4:17 pm
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Originally Posted by doober
Where's the Privacy Statement that is supposed to be given to anyone from whom the government seeks personal information? Is the TSA not following the law there either?
I read somewhere that the DHS has claimed that they are exempt from the Privacy Statement law.

Just like every other thing they have done, they claim they are exempt from all Federal laws.

And this will continue to be the case until the Federal Court system reigns in the DHS

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Old Aug 5, 2011 | 4:28 pm
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Originally Posted by Mr. Elliott
I read somewhere that the DHS has claimed that they are exempt from the Privacy Statement law.

Just like every other thing they have done, they claim they are exempt from all Federal laws.

And this will continue to be the case until the Federal Court system reigns in the DHS

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They do what they want, legal or not, and they will continue to do so.

They know that there are no consequences for their actions. If someone has the time and money to take DHS/TSA to court, DHS/TSA will fight using the taxpayer's bottomless pocketbook and the complicit DOJ all the way to the Supreme Court. Time is on their side.

TSA/DHS completely ignored summons to testify before Chaffetz and company. Nothing happened.
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Old Aug 5, 2011 | 4:39 pm
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Originally Posted by Mr. Elliott
Another problem I see is while a boarding pass only has your name on it, it also has the ticket number and the flight reservation number, I dont know if the TSA can get from the airlines the rest of your personal information, but I assume they can.
bolding mine

They already have all that information. The airline sends it all in for every ticket so Big Brother can check you against the No Fly List. Your full PNR info on every flight you make is already in the government's 25 year computer file. If the airline knows info, assume the TSA already know it. Someone here requested their government file under FOIA and found the TSA knows all.
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Old Aug 5, 2011 | 5:04 pm
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Originally Posted by doober
Where's the Privacy Statement that is supposed to be given to anyone from whom the government seeks personal information? Is the TSA not following the law there either?
Section 6.1 states:

PII will only be collected from individuals whose actions exceed specified thresholds delineated in the SPOT Standard Operating Procedures and notice under these circumstances is exempt under the Privacy Act.
Bolding mine.

No one is getting a Privacy Statement in this instance.

ETA: I didn't see a new PIA in the DHS library for the "enhanced" SPOT program, which doesn't surprise me, I guess.
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Old Aug 5, 2011 | 5:11 pm
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Originally Posted by cardiomd
Why don't we just educate judges on this advanced mind-reading techniques, then we can skip trials and juries.
+1 ^. Just get it certified as a reliable science and well trained street cops can be arresting officer, judge, jury and executioner all in one.

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Successful implementations (TSA, McDonald's, Walmart) require a tight, well-run organization with excellent communication top-to-bottom (and bottom-to-top) and coherent, engaged management.
McDonalds experiments with thousands of recipies in the test kitchen, then selects one to test in one restaurant, and then refines it before rolling it out nationwide.

TSA takes an untested idea, tries it at one airport, and, after it fails totally like all the experts said it would, says "We need to test it at 50 more airports to see if we can get different results." Only a tax funded outfit can be run this badly and still exist.
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Old Aug 5, 2011 | 5:17 pm
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Originally Posted by cb1111
Basket weaving. Origami may be a bit difficult.
Basket-weaving takes two hands, much too complicated.
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Old Aug 5, 2011 | 5:18 pm
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Regarding giving them my social security number....aint gonna happen for the following reason: Nothing in my possession at the airport has my soc sec # on it, and there is nothing requiring me to have it memorized. Hence---I "don't know what my soc sec # is" to any inquiries.
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Old Aug 5, 2011 | 5:20 pm
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Originally Posted by MrColdShower
There are airports in Eilat and Haifa. The flight destinations are domestic. I've never flown to or from these airports, and I'd be interested to know if the same strict security procedures are in place as they are in TLV.
As I posted above, yes, the security procedures are exactly the same for domestic flights.

The procedure is actually the same for general aviation except that there is no automatic physical search (it is limited to those deemed a risk) and airmen are exempt. GA is very different in Israel in that you file a preset flight plan and you follow it exactly-- you can't just fly where you want (subject to airspace restrictions) like you can here.
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Old Aug 5, 2011 | 5:25 pm
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Originally Posted by Slide101
That term "college educated" does not mean the screeners have an actual degree. It could just mean college classes or even a single class for all we know. Hey could even be they flunked out but still took college classes. Even with a degree it could be a 2 year degree rather than a bachelors. The term, like everything else TSA, is cleverly written to avoid specific information.
college educated implies neither intelligence nor knowledge. They can be dumber than s**t following dumber than s**t protocols. Or, they might be just as sharp as Israelis. For tsa, though, that would be a first.
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Old Aug 5, 2011 | 6:06 pm
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Originally Posted by FMDXR
Regarding giving them my social security number....aint gonna happen for the following reason: Nothing in my possession at the airport has my soc sec # on it, and there is nothing requiring me to have it memorized. Hence---I "don't know what my soc sec # is" to any inquiries.
I would never under any circumstance, including the threat of arrest give anyone, including an LEO and especially anyone from the TSA my address and social security number. That is the reason why my wife and I use our passports as our IDs, our address is not on our passports.

And as far who is my employer, that is none of their damned business, and I will tell that right to the LEOs and any TSA screeners face, and if they did somehow force me to disclose my employer, I am a self employed one man business working out of my house whose business address is a post office box, so it would not even matter anyway.

I am sure the DHS has access to the governments database and can find my social security number if they want to, but that is done at a higher level than a street level LEO or some blue shirt screener

I have even gone as far as removing my name and address from my luggage tags, I now just have my business card with my business number, which calls forward to my cell phone in the tag.

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Old Aug 5, 2011 | 7:14 pm
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This will be interesting -- I'm not the most gracious person when I wake-up at 3 AM to make my early flights out of BOS. I'm already 10/10 for fondling as a result of always refusing porno scanners.

When tired and annoyed I tend to be very curt with my interaction with fools. For instance the security lady in Madrid didn't appreciate when I honestly told her that my luggage hadn't been under my control since I had checked it with Iberia.
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Old Aug 5, 2011 | 7:55 pm
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Originally Posted by cb1111
Basket weaving. Origami may be a bit difficult.
Hmmph. Some of the ones I've seen even basket weaving might be a bit of a stretch. I suspect more than a few are living in a group home.
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Old Aug 5, 2011 | 8:30 pm
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Originally Posted by n4zhg
Hmmph. Some of the ones I've seen even basket weaving might be a bit of a stretch. I suspect more than a few are living in a group home.
noodle art?
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Old Aug 5, 2011 | 8:35 pm
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Originally Posted by VH-RMD
noodle art?
They'll eat the noodles, and the paste.
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Old Aug 5, 2011 | 9:07 pm
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Originally Posted by Pesky Monkey
They'll eat the noodles, and the paste.
'Cause they're not allowed past the checkpoint....
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