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TsaAbuseWatch Jul 23, 2011 5:55 pm


Originally Posted by Bart (Post 16783228)
You need to work on your reading comprehension skills, partner. And I find your subtle Nazi reference with "Blue Shirt" somewhat childish, if not, then pretty dumb. But you have a target audience you're trying to appease.

I'm referring to the most intensive screening process available which is more than just the SPD. If you've ever traveled anywhere in the US over the past ten years, I wouldn't have to explain it to you in such simple terms.

However, some folks do require the extra explanation.

Oh I'm well aware. I've been sexually assaulted by Blue Shirts a number of times and I'm certain that i've travelled far more than about 95% of these sexual assailants.


btw, The term Blue Shirt has nothing to do with Nazi'ism. It has to do with the uniform that some people wear and their lack of humanity for doing what they do for a little bit of money.

TsaAbuseWatch Jul 23, 2011 5:58 pm


Originally Posted by Bart (Post 16783509)
TSOs often do NOT go up as high as they are supposed to. This is because they are truly uncomfortable with the process. .

That's because they still have a little bit of humanity left.

Their reluctance is because they know its wrong and immoral.

Wimpie Jul 23, 2011 5:59 pm


Originally Posted by TsaAbuseWatch (Post 16784681)
Oh I'm well aware. I've been sexually assaulted by Blue Shirts a number of times and I'm certain that i've travelled far more than about 95% of the sexual assailants.


btw, The term Blue Shirt has nothing to do with Nazi'ism. It has to do with the uniform that some people wear and their lack of humanity for doing what they do for a little bit of money.

It's a very good thing they didn't standardize on BROWN!

Wimpie Jul 23, 2011 6:00 pm


Originally Posted by TsaAbuseWatch (Post 16784695)
That's because they still have a little bit of humanity left.

Their reluctance is because they know its wrong and immoral.

THE BAD NEWS:
The ones with humanity will quit and find other work.
The ones that stay are the ones we will have to deal with.:mad::mad:

celticwhisper Jul 23, 2011 6:17 pm


Originally Posted by Wimpie (Post 16784705)
THE BAD NEWS:
The ones with humanity will quit and find other work.
The ones that stay are the ones we will have to deal with.:mad::mad:

And they will be dealt with - by the courts, when we force political action to outlaw their sexual deviancy at the airport. We will see them disgraced and imprisoned, and we'll see it codified into law that they were wrong so they can never claim that their punishment was undeserved, and we'll see that all punishments against TSOs are meted out by the justice system so they can never claim that we just wanted revenge. We will give them a choice - quit now or go to prison where who-knows-what will happen to them (because, again, the murderers and rapists...you know, their kinsfolk...with whom they'll be sharing living space are unlikely to care about the difference between TSO and LEO: "pigs" are "pigs" to them) and when their choice is made they will endure the consequences of that choice.

Write your elected officials. Never stop writing. Call, fax, E-mail, talk to newspapers, call in to radio shows, make sure that it's unequivocal political suicide for anyone in Washington to support TSA and then the TSOs WILL be dealt with. Legally, so that any of them who try to take revenge on any of us will incur even more penalties.

Not enough to stop them, we have to CRUSH them and do it above-board, by the book and on the up-and-up so there's no way out.

Bart Jul 23, 2011 6:29 pm


Originally Posted by TsaAbuseWatch (Post 16784695)
That's because they still have a little bit of humanity left.

Their reluctance is because they know its wrong and immoral.

I don't know about that. Maybe so, maybe not. Until TSA changes the procedure, my job is to make sure they are screening correctly. After all, isn't that what you're "paying" me to do?

PlatinumScum Jul 23, 2011 6:30 pm

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Originally Posted by Bart

Originally Posted by SFOSpiff (Post 16783341)
You keep digging yourself a bigger hole. You're retaliating, plain and simple.

If you say so.

Violence against TSOs is unacceptable under any circumstances. If you have a problem with how you were treated, there are other ways to resolve it that are more effective than committing a violent act.

I'm sorry you don't understand this basic point.

But violence against passengers is just fine, huh?

Bart Jul 23, 2011 6:34 pm


Originally Posted by PlatinumScum (Post 16784809)
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But violence against passengers is just fine, huh?

Nope. Never said that.

Wanna try again?

TsaAbuseWatch Jul 23, 2011 6:43 pm


Originally Posted by Bart (Post 16784827)
Nope. Never said that.

Wanna try again?

Sexual assault is violence.

Just because some operatives call it "standard screening" doesn't make it any less so.

Denial is a powerful tool. Without denial, facism wouldn't be possible.

T-the-B Jul 23, 2011 8:17 pm


Originally Posted by nachtnebel (Post 16784145)
i'm having trouble following the logic that because a passenger reacts to TSA gropings, they are a danger to aircraft crew and other passengers, none of whom are groping that passenger. but then again, I don't work for TSA.

Quite frankly, I would feel safer knowing the guy sitting next to me on a plane had assaulted a TSA screener. At least he would be likely to be of some use in case a would-be terrorist tried something.

n4zhg Jul 23, 2011 8:50 pm


Originally Posted by Bart (Post 16784808)
I don't know about that. Maybe so, maybe not. Until TSA changes the procedure, my job is to make sure they are screening correctly. After all, isn't that what you're "paying" me to do?

I'm paying you somewhere between nothing and zero. I don't fly, so I don't pay the taxes you're leeching. And I will continue to not fly commercial carrier until TSA is disbanded and you and 60K+ of your fellow leeches are sitting on a street corner with a cardboard sign and a plastic cup.

VH-RMD Jul 23, 2011 8:52 pm


Originally Posted by Bart (Post 16784808)
I don't know about that. Maybe so, maybe not. Until TSA changes the procedure, my job is to make sure they are screening correctly. After all, isn't that what you're "paying" me to do?

then from the lack of the clerks ability to get the rules consistently right, I would suggest the US taxpayers are entitled to a refund.

SFOSpiff Jul 23, 2011 8:57 pm


Originally Posted by n4zhg (Post 16785261)
I'm paying you somewhere between nothing and zero. I don't fly, so I don't pay the taxes you're leeching. And I will continue to not fly commercial carrier until TSA is disbanded and you and 60K+ of your fellow leeches are sitting on a street corner with a cardboard sign and a plastic cup.

You realize that TSA gets money from other taxpayer sources besides airline taxes, right? Those body and luggage scanners were paid for out of the 2009 Recovery Act (the "stimulus") for a mere $1 billion.

n4zhg Jul 23, 2011 9:12 pm


Originally Posted by SFOSpiff (Post 16785283)
You realize that TSA gets money from other taxpayer sources besides airline taxes, right? Those body and luggage scanners were paid for out of the 2009 Recovery Act (the "stimulus") for a mere $1 billion.

But that's not salary, that's capital equipment. And I would prefer stimulus money to go to that than to ship guns to Mexican drug cartels for the sole purpose of blaming gun dealers, but it's a close call.

billycorgan Jul 23, 2011 9:22 pm

Bart

I completely understand. You have to reason with yourself to be able to do what you do for a living and still be able to sleep unless you are person without any shread of morals which I doubt because you seem like a decent fellow.

It isn't violence or assault against passengers... it is a basic legal screening method for our safety

It isn't cancer or radiation those machines are spilling out... it is harmless and essential to catch "bad people" like the underwear bomber

It isn't your testicles/labia I am touching... it is your resistance or sensitive areas.

It isn't a waste of tax dollars or manpower... it is a very important layer of security to trip up terrorists that can't pronounce their names.

Like I said Bart, I totally get it. If I was forced to do what you guys do for a living and steal and molest people for no increase in security I would believe your little mantra too.

I would cling to 35 year old Supreme court cases on administrative searches when trying to justify a pat down on a child trying to come home from their disney vacation.

I would cite passenger privacy and other "options" when removing the depends off of the incontenent elderly

Above all else I would make sure that all pat downs are being down as invasively as possible. After all if I wasn't able to intimidate the passenger through the AIT machine then I better make sure the process is retalitory so he doesn't think to question my directives next time.

After all that appears to be what you are saying and condoning.

But god forbid any passengers get fed up and protect themselves. Make sure those get the full front of the hand down the shorts private pat down everytime. It is probably best that those are mandatory private screenings, if the public knew what you guys did during those searches they would really have a sh!t fit.


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