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SATTSO Jul 24, 2011 11:36 pm


Originally Posted by TsaAbuseWatch (Post 16785815)
Oh I don't doubt that some people like the whole body x-ray chambers and the opportunity to show off their naked body to someone in a secret room.

However if you truly believe that TSA is becoming more popular with the public, I have a nice bridge to sell you.

Read again what I wrote, as you obviously didn't understand me.

And btw, its more than "some" who like the AITs. When I have worked on the AIT, I can honestly say more people asked to use them than those who would opt out.

GUWonder Jul 25, 2011 4:20 am


Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 16791354)
And btw, its more than "some" who like the AITs. When I have worked on the AIT, I can honestly say more people asked to use them than those who would opt out.

I wouldn't dispute that. A lot of people are impressed by the latest item on display -- probably many of the same people who would have been impressed by the "health" benefits of snake-oil as a cure-all in a time gone by when that could be a market novelty with salespeople and others playing to a gullible audience.

Chaos.Defined Jul 25, 2011 5:42 am

..............FSD-TSM need replaced......... Good luck filling with $40/hr+ talent with that culture of non-accountability in place

T-the-B Jul 25, 2011 8:46 am


Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 16791354)

And btw, its more than "some" who like the AITs. When I have worked on the AIT, I can honestly say more people asked to use them than those who would opt out.

And when I was a child, lots of parents chose to use the X-ray machines at the Red Goose shoe stores to ensure their kids' shoes fit well. After all, they were assured that it was perfectly safe.

We now know that the shoe clerks assurances were worthless. Why should I believe the TSA clerks' assurances today? TSA employees, as a general rule, don't even come up to the level of a 1950's shoe clerk in terms of knowledge, training and professionalism.

Pesky Monkey Jul 25, 2011 11:43 am


Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 16791354)
Read again what I wrote, as you obviously didn't understand me.

And btw, its more than "some" who like the AITs. When I have worked on the AIT, I can honestly say more people asked to use them than those who would opt out.

That's because most people don't want a pair of grubby hands on them. At least with the nudeoscope, there's a shot at not being groped.
Give people a choice between the nudeoscope and the metal detector would be much more revealing as to what they "like".

mikeef Jul 25, 2011 12:14 pm


Originally Posted by Chaos.Defined (Post 16792160)
..............FSD-TSM need replaced......... Good luck filling with $40/hr+ talent with that culture of non-accountability in place

This is an issue that has always resonated with me and one that I know Bart has discussed several times. You could have the smartest, most qualified people in the world on the line, but without proper leadership setting a reasonable policy, it won't make a bit of difference.

For the line people, I call it the 10/80/10 rule. 10% of the people are above and beyond, 80% are just trying to get through the day like any of us and 10% are miserable SOBs who want to make everyone else miserable. I'm not saying that proper leadership would change those ratios, but it could take everyone up a few notches and make sure that the bottom 10% is moved out.

Mike

Chaos.Defined Jul 25, 2011 5:55 pm

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LuvAirFrance Jul 26, 2011 4:55 pm

I just experience the 10/80/10 on a cross-country bus trip. TSA has no monopoly on that rule. The problem is the policy not the people. The bus company management set the parameters and the drivers had no freedom to make conditions tolerable. I saw in the face of one driver how absurd he thought it was what he had to do. He couldn't express his frustration, but it wasn't hard to see.

Superguy Jul 26, 2011 7:09 pm


Originally Posted by Lara21 (Post 16785780)
Because now if a breast cancer survivor goes through the NOS/AIT they are going to get the full all over the body rubdown because the prosthetic and/or their surgical scars are going to be seen as something suspicious.

Especially now that DHS thinks people are going to have bombs surgically implanted in them. :rolleyes:

LuvAirFrance Jul 26, 2011 8:17 pm

Question: Is this just profiling repackaged with a new label?

SATTSO Jul 26, 2011 9:20 pm


Originally Posted by Superguy (Post 16803660)
Especially now that DHS thinks people are going to have bombs surgically implanted in them. :rolleyes:

Not just a belief of DHS, but a belief of many FlyerTalk members. Remember, one common argument on this site, made by multiple people as to why the AITs should not be used: they will not detect an implanted IED.

SATTSO Jul 26, 2011 9:22 pm


Originally Posted by LuvAirFrance (Post 16803998)
Question: Is this just profiling repackaged with a new label?

That is a valid question, but I do not think so. From what I have heard and understand, those who qualify for less intrusive screening will be selected on a more tangible criteria, such as criminal history and so on. And some of the reduced screen will simply apply to everyone, even those not in the Trusted Traveler program.

LuvAirFrance Jul 26, 2011 11:24 pm


Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 16804301)
That is a valid question, but I do not think so. From what I have heard and understand, those who qualify for less intrusive screening will be selected on a more tangible criteria, such as criminal history and so on. And some of the reduced screen will simply apply to everyone, even those not in the Trusted Traveler program.

Is there an extra "not" in that last sentence. I'd say especially those not in the Trusted Traveler program

Varnsen Jul 27, 2011 12:48 am


Originally Posted by TSORon (Post 16783368)
I can’t speak for Bart, but for myself it would not. I also have a CCP, and I have a security clearance, and I work for the TSA, but I don’t expect that my fellow TSO’s will allow me to take anything aboard an aircraft that is disallowed for other passengers.

Apologies if you've already posted the answer but what security clearance do you possess? Inquiring minds and all.

Chaos.Defined Jul 27, 2011 1:13 am


Originally Posted by Varnsen (Post 16805010)
Apologies if you've already posted the answer but what security clearance do you possess? Inquiring minds and all.

interesting catch-22 as infosec requires that he not indicate personal access to classified data or lack thereof just on a whimsy...
I'll answer in a rather opaque way...
some people come in with clearances (many of whom are the "unpatriotic" veterans who joined TSA after their enlistment- I imagine their clearances are allowed to expire)
Some are granted clearances for reasons...
But unfortunately, many seem to think they have clearances, when they do not (a lot of trainers and recruiters distort the initial background check's purpose)


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