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Originally Posted by DeafBlonde
(Post 16784093)
Yes, you did!!! :p
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Originally Posted by chollie
(Post 16783628)
It isn't going to work unless TSA comes to grip with discipline issues. Zero tolerance for pax has to be accompanied by zero tolerance for TSO misbehavior. As I have pointed out elsewhere, one unruly pax can impact quite a few people, but not as many as one unruly TSO can impact on a daily basis.
The tolerance levels we have right now are adequate to the task. Please, let’s leave that one alone. |
Originally Posted by iowakatie1981
(Post 16783439)
Why do I feel like I'm about to be shoved onto a train headed for a "work camp"?
I hope you never have some kind of medical condition that allows other people to treat you with such disrespect, rudeness, and suspicion. |
Originally Posted by TSORon
(Post 16784535)
You REALLY don’t want to see "zero tolerance" for passengers, honestly, you wouldn't. Real "zero tolerance" for passengers would get ugly on day one, and get only worse as time went along.
The tolerance levels we have right now are adequate to the task. Please, let’s leave that one alone. |
Originally Posted by TSORon
(Post 16784535)
You REALLY don’t want to see "zero tolerance" for passengers, honestly, you wouldn't. Real "zero tolerance" for passengers would get ugly on day one, and get only worse as time went along.
The tolerance levels we have right now are adequate to the task. Please, let’s leave that one alone. |
Originally Posted by TSORon
(Post 16783368)
Sorry, but treating you differently because of your additions or “disabilities” does not mean that someone is discriminating against you. Your situation requires variations in how people deal with you, not just at the checkpoint but everywhere, are they also discriminating against you? No, its just the reality of the situation.
Your argument is like the “black man” who gets stopped by the cops and screams “its racism” and ignores the fact that he was doing 45mph in a 25mph zone. The reality is that your personal situation requires a different approach. Saying that it is “discrimination” does not change that reality, it only makes it more dramatic. And we all need more “drama” in our lives now don’t we. :rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by TSORon
(Post 16783368)
I can’t speak for Bart, but for myself it would not. I also have a CCP, and I have a security clearance, and I work for the TSA, but I don’t expect that my fellow TSO’s will allow me to take anything aboard an aircraft that is disallowed for other passengers. |
Originally Posted by TSORon
(Post 16783368)
. . .
Fact is that more than 50% of what TSA does is not immediately visible to the traveling public. . . . |
Originally Posted by Bart
(Post 16784290)
Try reading slowly. Helps improve comprehension. ;)
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Originally Posted by TSORon
(Post 16784535)
You REALLY don’t want to see "zero tolerance" for passengers, honestly, you wouldn't. Real "zero tolerance" for passengers would get ugly on day one, and get only worse as time went along.
. It's the public that is tolerating TSA. And that tolerance is eroding fast. Ask yourself. How has your relationship with passengers changed in the last year? |
Originally Posted by TSORon
(Post 16783368)
Sorry, but treating you differently because of your additions or “disabilities” does not mean that someone is discriminating against you. Your situation requires variations in how people deal with you, not just at the checkpoint but everywhere, are they also discriminating against you? No, its just the reality of the situation
Your argument is like the “black man” who gets stopped by the cops and screams “its racism” and ignores the fact that he was doing 45mph in a 25mph zone. The reality is that your personal situation requires a different approach. Saying that it is “discrimination” does not change that reality, it only makes it more dramatic. And we all need more “drama” in our lives now don’t we. :rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by TsaAbuseWatch
(Post 16785274)
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Ask yourself. How has your relationship with passengers changed in the last year? This should actually make sense even to the most dense of you. Opt outs are very, very few. Heck, read some threads where FlyerTalk members sadly note how few opt outs they see. Sometimes they are disheartened to note in the time they were at the checkpoint, they noticed none. And I will say, those who opt out are usually the upset ones. People who used to always alarm the WTMD now REQUEST the AIT, for the most part. These people are happy. As far as people we used to screen with HHMD, almost all alarmed for medical reasons. Now most of them are never even touched. In general, they love it. ^ But I doubt people here will want to believe this. As another FT member noted in another thread, denial is a powerful tool. |
Originally Posted by SATTSO
(Post 16785709)
Some has become worse; most have become better.
This should actually make sense even to the most dense of you. Opt outs are very, very few. Heck, read some threads where FlyerTalk members sadly note how few opt outs they see. Sometimes they are disheartened to note in the time they were at the checkpoint, they noticed none. And I will say, those who opt out are usually the upset ones. People who used to always alarm the WTMD now REQUEST the AIT, for the most part. These people are happy. As far as people we used to screen with HHMD, almost all alarmed for medical reasons. Now most of them are never even touched. In general, they love it. ^ But I doubt people here will want to believe this. As another FT member noted in another thread, denial is a powerful tool. Because now if a breast cancer survivor goes through the NOS/AIT they are going to get the full all over the body rubdown because the prosthetic and/or their surgical scars are going to be seen as something suspicious. |
Originally Posted by SATTSO
(Post 16785709)
Some has become worse; most have become better.
This should actually make sense even to the most dense of you. Opt outs are very, very few. Heck, read some threads where FlyerTalk members sadly note how few opt outs they see. Sometimes they are disheartened to note in the time they were at the checkpoint, they noticed none. And I will say, those who opt out are usually the upset ones. People who used to always alarm the WTMD now REQUEST the AIT, for the most part. These people are happy. As far as people we used to screen with HHMD, almost all alarmed for medical reasons. Now most of them are never even touched. In general, they love it. ^ But I doubt people here will want to believe this. As another FT member noted in another thread, denial is a powerful tool. However if you truly believe that TSA is becoming more popular with the public, I have a nice bridge to sell you. |
Originally Posted by Bart
(Post 16784290)
Try reading slowly. Helps improve comprehension. ;)
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