False Positives on Explosives
#46
Join Date: Apr 2009
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I didn’t make a list.
Why? Was it that interesting a post?
Good for you.
Yes.
Dogs are 70% effective when they are working. And they have serious limitations as to when they “can” work, under what conditions, and are far more expensive than you might suspect not only to use but to train, maintain, and procure. Dogs have their place in the system, but are not the “be-all and end-all” of explosives detection.
Why? Was it that interesting a post?
Dogs are 70% effective when they are working. And they have serious limitations as to when they “can” work, under what conditions, and are far more expensive than you might suspect not only to use but to train, maintain, and procure. Dogs have their place in the system, but are not the “be-all and end-all” of explosives detection.
#47
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Dogs are 70% effective when they are working. And they have serious limitations as to when they “can” work, under what conditions, and are far more expensive than you might suspect not only to use but to train, maintain, and procure. Dogs have their place in the system, but are not the “be-all and end-all” of explosives detection.
Except the 70% figure is way too high. Like 70%.
#49
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2. You are going to believe whatever you choose to. Experience in this forum tells me that the likelihood of those belief's being based on objective fact is as close to zero as one can get.
3. I honestly do not care what you think.
#50
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2. You are going to believe whatever you choose to.
Experience in this forum tells me that the likelihood of those belief's being based on objective fact is as close to zero as one can get.
3. I honestly do not care what you think.
#51



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Well, I do care about what and how you and all your TSA pals think because those thoughts lead you to the conclusion that you can behave in ways that weaken our country and show callous disregard for the dignity of the people who are unfortunate enough to find themselves within reach of your "authority".
I will do everything in my power to see this travesty brought to an end.
I will do everything in my power to see this travesty brought to an end.
#52




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1. What you feel about my fellow TSO's and myself is of no concern to me.
2. You are going to believe whatever you choose to. Experience in this forum tells me that the likelihood of those belief's being based on objective fact is as close to zero as one can get.
3. I honestly do not care what you think.
2. You are going to believe whatever you choose to. Experience in this forum tells me that the likelihood of those belief's being based on objective fact is as close to zero as one can get.
3. I honestly do not care what you think.
#53
Join Date: Nov 2010
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Because people would invariably compare the canine intelligence to that of the TSOs and the smurfs would be embarrassed.
#54
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Dogs are 70% effective when they are working. And they have serious limitations as to when they “can” work, under what conditions, and are far more expensive than you might suspect not only to use but to train, maintain, and procure. Dogs have their place in the system, but are not the “be-all and end-all” of explosives detection.
There is no such thing as 100% security anywhere in the world. Even if you stay home and do nothing, there could be a natural disaster and you could die.
#55
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Well, I don't mean to cause any problems but it seems the scanners don't have a very good success rate either. They depend on the skills of the person in the viewing room. There have been stories of people sneaking guns past the scanners in testing done by the tsa themselves. Also, many passengers have false anomolies detected and need a pat-down afterward. Dogs are hard working animals that are loyal, bright, they don't complain, and they don't seem to be as mean as some (not all) tso's.
There is no such thing as 100% security anywhere in the world. Even if you stay home and do nothing, there could be a natural disaster and you could die.
There is no such thing as 100% security anywhere in the world. Even if you stay home and do nothing, there could be a natural disaster and you could die.
AIT is not a perfect technology (much as I might like it to be), it can only give us indications that there is something that needs a closer look. And that’s all that dogs can do, give us indications that a closer look needs to be made. Humans are still going to have to do the looking, and that means folks with the same job I have no matter the technology telling us.
There is no perfect technology. Sorry, that is a pretty obvious fact. One other pretty obvious fact is that the AIT does not bite or poop on the floor. Each has its faults, just as each has its advantages. The TSA uses both technologies, each in its most appropriate place.
#57
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1) The TSA lacks the skills to use their shiny new toys in an effective fashion. We've repeatedly heard from various TSA employees that they're simply unable to train their personnel to read the images on the scanner. I speculate whether this is because the TSA doesn't have anyone with those skills to train others, or because the majority of TSA employees are simply untrainable.
2) The scanner doesn't detect the threats that it was supposedly "necessary" to detect - underwear bombs and guns. A metal detector would have caught the gun every time in the 5x5 failure in DFW.
#58
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Since TSA employees are 30% or less effective when working and TSA equipment is 0% effective when working, the dogs win hands down.
70% effective! Wow. They're the best we've got.

The nation's problems solved.
I feel safer already.
Further, dogs are brilliant at discerning human character and intentions. They'll run rings around any BDO.
Maybe it's that canine perceptiveness the TSA finds so objectionable about dogs.
70% effective! Wow. They're the best we've got.

The nation's problems solved.
I feel safer already.
Further, dogs are brilliant at discerning human character and intentions. They'll run rings around any BDO.
Maybe it's that canine perceptiveness the TSA finds so objectionable about dogs.
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Since TSA employees are 30% or less effective when working and TSA equipment is 0% effective when working, the dogs win hands down.
70% effective! Wow. They're the best we've got.

The nation's problems solved.
I feel safer already.
Further, dogs are brilliant at discerning human character and intentions. They'll run rings around any BDO.
Maybe it's that canine perceptiveness the TSA finds so objectionable about dogs.
70% effective! Wow. They're the best we've got.

The nation's problems solved.
I feel safer already.
Further, dogs are brilliant at discerning human character and intentions. They'll run rings around any BDO.
Maybe it's that canine perceptiveness the TSA finds so objectionable about dogs.
#60
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Maybe it's the simple fact that dogs can tell time - my dogs were always waiting at the door, and would go to the door on time even if I was late - and TSA employees can't (as witnessed by the TSA statement that the Savannah train incident was the result of the VIPR team being unable to read a clock or a watch.)


