False Positives on Explosives
Apr 13, 2011 | 8:50 pm
#31
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Hmmm... Fireworks use Black Powder.. which (unlike modern Smokeless propellant) IS actually an "Explosive"*... (not a terribly efficient/powerful one of course) but an explosive nonetheless...
* classified as "1.1D" on the NATO system IIRC...
Wonder if that's why the "puffer" machines alarmed? They actually worked????
* classified as "1.1D" on the NATO system IIRC...
Wonder if that's why the "puffer" machines alarmed? They actually worked????
Apr 13, 2011 | 8:55 pm
#32
Join Date: Feb 2010
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I will be sending letters along with receipts to the SAN airport authority, county commission and city council with an explanation as to why.
I'm going to attempt to be a one man crusade to let the city know they are losing money because they allow this unconstitutional charade to take place in our city. I don't know if it will have an impact. But who knows, maybe I will be the one squeaky wheel that gets some attention.
I'm going to attempt to be a one man crusade to let the city know they are losing money because they allow this unconstitutional charade to take place in our city. I don't know if it will have an impact. But who knows, maybe I will be the one squeaky wheel that gets some attention.
I've already sent such letters to the mayor, airport manager, and convention bureau in STL.
Since it's now been 2 months since the TSA Contact Center promised I would hear from a customer service manager at SAN regarding my 30 minute detention for declining the free cancer dose, I will be giving the leaders of San Diego some "nice" letters, as well.
CalVol, keep it up!
Apr 13, 2011 | 11:13 pm
#34
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Yes, its not really all that uncommon. Explosives are used not just by terrorists and the military but by quite a few different commercial concerns and police agencies. Hence the reason we dont make a big deal out of it, its about like finding a 1955 penny in a bucket full of pennies.
It's also a big deal that my tax dollars are being used to abuse to me and anyone else who happens to want or need to fly!!!
Then throw in the cavalier attitude of the folks paid to abuse us and, well, I better stop now before being sent to the penalty box.
Apr 14, 2011 | 12:24 am
#35
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Black powder is covered under the same exemptions to explosives laws as smokeless. Neither are considered to be under explosives control in "normal" quantities, which for black powder was 50 pounds.
Apr 14, 2011 | 11:20 am
#36
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Avoid the firing range?
I travel to the USA regularly for target shooting competitions... so lots of my clothes/gear would be well contaminated by residue from the smokeless propellants I use.. especially my range bag which has done double duty as my carry on... never had a problem.
I have even travelled with a powder thrower.. had THAT in my carry on (it's an expensive item and not terribly rugged) and presumably because it was an unusual looking thing they took it out of the bag and wiped the swab around the interior of the powder reservoir....
NO result...
So.. from that experience.. I wouldn't be real concerned about flying after being at the range!
I travel to the USA regularly for target shooting competitions... so lots of my clothes/gear would be well contaminated by residue from the smokeless propellants I use.. especially my range bag which has done double duty as my carry on... never had a problem.
I have even travelled with a powder thrower.. had THAT in my carry on (it's an expensive item and not terribly rugged) and presumably because it was an unusual looking thing they took it out of the bag and wiped the swab around the interior of the powder reservoir....
NO result...
So.. from that experience.. I wouldn't be real concerned about flying after being at the range!
I'm convinced that the machine is just a random number generator.
Apr 14, 2011 | 11:31 am
#37
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As for proven "technology", they're called D-O-G-S. As they are a highly mobile and effective deterrent and screening force; why would we invest otherwise?
Apr 14, 2011 | 11:32 am
#38
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Just another page out of the play?
Apr 14, 2011 | 12:08 pm
#39
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Apr 14, 2011 | 12:36 pm
#41
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^^^^
bingo! Look up the political donations given by L3 corp over the past several years.
L3 is just one of the defense companies that has co-opted our congress and that is why you should expect to see a succession of rollouts of more and more "crowd control" types of technology.
You cannot make a lot of profits growing and training the D-O-G technology.
bingo! Look up the political donations given by L3 corp over the past several years.
L3 is just one of the defense companies that has co-opted our congress and that is why you should expect to see a succession of rollouts of more and more "crowd control" types of technology.
You cannot make a lot of profits growing and training the D-O-G technology.
Apr 14, 2011 | 2:26 pm
#42
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Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Avoid the firing range?
I travel to the USA regularly for target shooting competitions... so lots of my clothes/gear would be well contaminated by residue from the smokeless propellants I use.. especially my range bag which has done double duty as my carry on... never had a problem.
I have even travelled with a powder thrower.. had THAT in my carry on (it's an expensive item and not terribly rugged) and presumably because it was an unusual looking thing they took it out of the bag and wiped the swab around the interior of the powder reservoir....
NO result...
So.. from that experience.. I wouldn't be real concerned about flying after being at the range!
I travel to the USA regularly for target shooting competitions... so lots of my clothes/gear would be well contaminated by residue from the smokeless propellants I use.. especially my range bag which has done double duty as my carry on... never had a problem.
I have even travelled with a powder thrower.. had THAT in my carry on (it's an expensive item and not terribly rugged) and presumably because it was an unusual looking thing they took it out of the bag and wiped the swab around the interior of the powder reservoir....
NO result...
So.. from that experience.. I wouldn't be real concerned about flying after being at the range!
If you have fired a weapon, wash your hands with hydrogen peroxide.
Apr 14, 2011 | 2:39 pm
#43
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Apr 14, 2011 | 4:31 pm
#44
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Maybe a little toluene or powdered ammonium nitrate would work better than the peroxide?
Apr 14, 2011 | 4:33 pm
#45
Join Date: Aug 2010
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Avoid the firing range?
I travel to the USA regularly for target shooting competitions... so lots of my clothes/gear would be well contaminated by residue from the smokeless propellants I use.. especially my range bag which has done double duty as my carry on... never had a problem.
I have even travelled with a powder thrower.. had THAT in my carry on (it's an expensive item and not terribly rugged) and presumably because it was an unusual looking thing they took it out of the bag and wiped the swab around the interior of the powder reservoir....
NO result...
So.. from that experience.. I wouldn't be real concerned about flying after being at the range!
I travel to the USA regularly for target shooting competitions... so lots of my clothes/gear would be well contaminated by residue from the smokeless propellants I use.. especially my range bag which has done double duty as my carry on... never had a problem.
I have even travelled with a powder thrower.. had THAT in my carry on (it's an expensive item and not terribly rugged) and presumably because it was an unusual looking thing they took it out of the bag and wiped the swab around the interior of the powder reservoir....
NO result...
So.. from that experience.. I wouldn't be real concerned about flying after being at the range!