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average_passenger Mar 27, 2011 7:10 pm


Originally Posted by chollie (Post 16111658)
Just be very careful of your own behavior. You are a watcher, but you can also be watched. Someone else may see you do something 'suspicious' and turn you in.

The thing that concerns me MORE is that the TSA (or Canadian equivalent) missed this!! What else are they missing?!

Also, don't do the TSA's job for them! They are the ones that are supposed to be looking out for things!

cordelli Mar 27, 2011 7:11 pm

Interesting.

On one hand a good amount of people around here think the ban on liquids is a total waste, and ignore it whenever possible because it's a waste of time and effort.

On the other hand, when somebody sees somebody sneaking liquids through, they alert security because they are afraid they are sneaking in something harmful and should be investigated.

Things that make you go hmmmmm.

chollie Mar 27, 2011 7:17 pm


Originally Posted by Caradoc (Post 16112292)
He probably doesn't want it stolen by the TSA bag-tossers downstairs. A good cigar cutter can be pricy.

Absolutely, but he thought it was right for the OP to 'snitch' on the guy who apparently didn't want to be hassled about his shoe polish, so I am pointing out to him that his own behavior (artful concealment of a prohibited item, a cigar cutter) could cause him to be snitched on.

Out of an abundance of caution, of course.

CDTraveler Mar 27, 2011 7:45 pm


Originally Posted by cordelli (Post 16112304)
Interesting.

On one hand a good amount of people around here think the ban on liquids is a total waste, and ignore it whenever possible because it's a waste of time and effort.

On the other hand, when somebody sees somebody sneaking liquids through, they alert security because they are afraid they are sneaking in something harmful and should be investigated.

Things that make you go hmmmmm.

The response to the OP certainly does make me go hmmmmm. I personally have no idea what liquid explosives look like, and would have no idea if a bottle of that size could or would be dangerous. However, I would recognize that a person was clearly trying to conceal something from security and wonder if his motive was more than just getting a benign liquid past security.

I'd be interested in knowing how folks would respond to the OP if what he saw a blade of some sort (knife, box cutter, etc.) rather than a bottle.

Would you still assume the pax was harmless and just protecting his own property, i.e. the blade, from confiscation?

What if you'd seen the BP and knew this person was on your flight? Would you respond differently?

I would hope that each person takes the time to think through what air travel security really means now, and by that I definitely don't mean the TSA.

chollie Mar 27, 2011 7:53 pm


Originally Posted by CDTraveler (Post 16112475)
The response to the OP certainly does make me go hmmmmm. I personally have no idea what liquid explosives look like, and would have no idea if a bottle of that size could or would be dangerous. However, I would recognize that a person was clearly trying to conceal something from security and wonder if his motive was more than just getting a benign liquid past security.

I'd be interested in knowing how folks would respond to the OP if what he saw a blade of some sort (knife, box cutter, etc.) rather than a bottle.

Would you still assume the pax was harmless and just protecting his own property, i.e. the blade, from confiscation?

What if you'd seen the BP and knew this person was on your flight? Would you respond differently?

I would hope that each person takes the time to think through what air travel security really means now, and by that I definitely don't mean the TSA.

Would you be concerned enough to stay aside and give your name and details and hang around as a 'material witness', possibly missing your own flight while the offending pax was located and dealt with? After all, it is only fair to keep you around until the pax is either nailed or cleared - otherwise, what is to stop pranksters or disgruntled people from making false reports just for amusement or hassle.

Of course, if you are genuinely concerned about your safety, then such a minor inconvenience should be a small price to pay.

I believe there was an ugly incident in Toronto last year where a guy on a flight bound for Pakistan was detained after the flight was diverted to Stockholm. He was removed and stranded in Stockholm. It turns out that a woman caller reported he had a bomb. Last I knew, police suspected it had all been a hoax, possibly because the woman thought he was going to Pakistan to wed.

JimYUL Mar 27, 2011 8:04 pm

Give the OP a break. Its way more about the behaviour then the bottle of polish. I say, well done OP.

bocastephen Mar 27, 2011 8:14 pm

Why not just mind your own business?

Or better yet - watch how he does it, then copy the procedure with your own liquids.

Xyzzy Mar 27, 2011 8:35 pm


Originally Posted by mad1 (Post 16111429)
What do you guys think? Was this the right thing to do?

D:rolleyes: y:rolleyes:u feel safer? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

The only thing the TSA can tell about liquids is whether the bottles are larger than 100ml or not> Even on that simple task I've experienced failures (not being able to read the clearly printed label as well as an inability to determine size of clearly very small bottles). None of this, of course, has anything to do with the actual contents of the containers.

@:-) Next time, please just let your fellow passengers be. The person in front of you just wanted his shoe polish.

Mimi111 Mar 27, 2011 8:53 pm


Originally Posted by AngryMiller (Post 16111461)
Right in one sense and wrong in another. Are you afraid he would attempt to polish your shoes while in flight? Haven't heard of too many terrorist shoe shiners out there. What did you hope to accomplish by reporting him to TSA?

CATSA (TSA is only in the US).

PhlyingRPh Mar 27, 2011 9:05 pm


Originally Posted by bocastephen (Post 16112598)
Why not just mind your own business?

Or better yet - watch how he does it, then copy the procedure with your own liquids.

LOL:D

RadioGirl Mar 27, 2011 10:01 pm


Originally Posted by mad1 (Post 16111429)
What do you guys think? Was this the right thing to do?

Since you ask: no.

You yourself said the 100 ml limits are pointless and the guy was probably harmless. Either you thought his shoe polish really could endanger a flight, or you were trying to get him in trouble. Neither makes much sense.

Note that even if CATSA has confiscated the shoe polish, they would've thrown it in the trash with all the other "potential liquid explosives", thereby endangering the rest of the passengers in the airport. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by CDTraveler (Post 16112475)
I'd be interested in knowing how folks would respond to the OP if what he saw a blade of some sort (knife, box cutter, etc.) rather than a bottle.

Would you still assume the pax was harmless and just protecting his own property, i.e. the blade, from confiscation?

Yes. Knifes (of any ordinary size) and boxcutters are not a threat to aircraft safety.

zefatcheese Mar 27, 2011 10:41 pm

MEGA .........

PhlyingRPh Mar 27, 2011 10:52 pm


Originally Posted by JimYUL (Post 16112559)
Give the OP a break. Its way more about the behaviour then the bottle of polish. I say, well done OP.

What is this, primary school?

AINITFUNNY Mar 27, 2011 11:59 pm

OP -Did you kiss the one you accused? Were they offering any kind of praise or reward for your deed?
(Matt 26:47)

thyeri Mar 28, 2011 3:42 am

In France journalists successfully boarded domestic flights with guns in their bag 9 times out of 10 tries! The gun was disassembled and the security guy did not notice that there was a gun...

Twice, a security guy checked the bag, but did not notice there was a gun in several parts...

Security at the airport is just meant to make the people feel safe. The truth is that security at the airport never helped against real terrorists...


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