Jesse "The Body" Ventura sues DHS, TSA
Jan 25, 2011, 5:23 pm
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While I'll confess a certain level of admiration for the breath of fresh air (even though well cloaked with self-promotion) Jesse brought to Minnesota's State House, I'd be willing to place a wager that his lawsuit, no matter how tenaciously pursued and aggrandized by media hype, Jesse attracting media frenzy at about the same rate that ants pursue spilled syrup, will end up in File #13 (the round one under the desk). Just as most of his short-lived investigations of popular conspiracies turned out to be more voracious than veracious, he's picked an even less likely to be successful target for his wrath this time around.
I suspect that a federal judge is likely (after rolling up his britches a couple of turns to keep them out of the BS) to make short work of this less than noble effort.
Jesse's a perfect subject for cable TV. After all, in a week bookended by "professional" wrestling, we need something midweek of equivalent credibility. Vince McMahon may have a better tailor but less dress sense than Jesse, but the two of them occupy equivalent niches in my Pantheon of "maxi-narcissists" whose most familiar facial expressions owe much to the late and unlamented il Duce and whose pronouncements resemble those of a traveling carnival barker.
I suspect that a federal judge is likely (after rolling up his britches a couple of turns to keep them out of the BS) to make short work of this less than noble effort.
Jesse's a perfect subject for cable TV. After all, in a week bookended by "professional" wrestling, we need something midweek of equivalent credibility. Vince McMahon may have a better tailor but less dress sense than Jesse, but the two of them occupy equivalent niches in my Pantheon of "maxi-narcissists" whose most familiar facial expressions owe much to the late and unlamented il Duce and whose pronouncements resemble those of a traveling carnival barker.
The complaint has as much chance of any at succeeding, perhaps better given that he should be better able to pay his lawyers. The added visibility from having a celebrity involved will not hurt.
When the media prints pictures of your governor wearing feather boas, it doesn't matter. Also, Jesse did have that "look" as the mayor who rode his Harley to work, and pretty much the entire metro area (perhaps most of the state) was aware of it.
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Jan 25, 2011, 7:08 pm
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Have you actually read the complaint, or are you just not a Jesse fan?
The complaint has as much chance of any at succeeding, perhaps better given that he should be better able to pay his lawyers. The added visibility from having a celebrity involved will not hurt.
The complaint has as much chance of any at succeeding, perhaps better given that he should be better able to pay his lawyers. The added visibility from having a celebrity involved will not hurt.
Sympathetic as I was to some of Jesse's gubernatorial efforts, ever since, he's seemed to have hoisted himself aboard the bandwagon of largely self-imagined celebritydom. I wish I had more confidence that this latest bit of showboating was (a) likely to succeed, and (b) in doing so, might bring some relief to the traveling public from a ridiculous system designed more as a political ploy to impress the folks at home, than as a reinforcer of traveling safe from terrorists. I'd like to think he planned to pay his own legal counsel, but after viewing a few moments of his conspiracy show, I suspect that this too is a "put up deal"
Mike, this show is all for Jesse, not for you and the other Minneapolitans/Merkins.....
Excuse my cynicism, but I do rank Jesse's sincerity as being in the same quartile with that of the Czar of professional wrestling. Now, I've known several federal judges, none of whom seemed to give a tinker's damn for a plaintiff's celebrity status, and sadly, much of the available case law seems to come down on the gubmint's insensitive, intrusive side.
Jan 25, 2011, 7:37 pm
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Jan 25, 2011, 10:06 pm
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I never thought I'd have anything in common with Jesse Ventura, then suddenly there's two things 
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The body scanners don't alert on implanted metal like the WTMD do since they only 
see the surface of the body. That was supposed to be a selling point - people who alarmed the WTMD could choose the NoS if they didn't want the grope.
In theory.
In practice, the NoS has more problems than the grope - radiation exposure, saved images, inability to see your belongings, etc. And too many people who "choose" the NoS get the grope anyway. So it's not that useful for those of us with implants.
And in practice, of course, the NoS is not being used only as a choice for secondary for implant patients, but for primary for all passengers.
But I'm sure the TSA is still trying to convince people with implants that the NoS is there for their convenience.
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He says the new security measures violate his right to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures.
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Ventura had a hip replacement in 2008, and his titanium implant sets off metal detectors.
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Ventura had a hip replacement in 2008, and his titanium implant sets off metal detectors.
It is useless for Jesse to go thru a scanner as he will always have an anomoly due to hip replacement. see the surface of the body. That was supposed to be a selling point - people who alarmed the WTMD could choose the NoS if they didn't want the grope. In theory.
In practice, the NoS has more problems than the grope - radiation exposure, saved images, inability to see your belongings, etc. And too many people who "choose" the NoS get the grope anyway. So it's not that useful for those of us with implants.
And in practice, of course, the NoS is not being used only as a choice for secondary for implant patients, but for primary for all passengers.
But I'm sure the TSA is still trying to convince people with implants that the NoS is there for their convenience.
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Jan 26, 2011, 3:44 am
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Sooner or later, it's going to come before a judge to decide where the line is, in regards to administrative searches, and minimally invasive. When an appellate judge (or even the SCOTUS) declare the pat-downs as they exist today (which is more of a rub-down and squeeze) are minimally invasive administrative searches, then things will start to get interesting. It's just that no one has figured out (yet) how to get the right lawsuit into the right courtroom?
Jan 26, 2011, 6:07 am
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For violating the constitution!!!
http://caivn.org/article/2011/01/26/...g-constitution
This is the most intelligent report on Ventura's law suit to date. No sensationalism, plenty of facts, and great analysis.
I particularly like the headline.
This is the most intelligent report on Ventura's law suit to date. No sensationalism, plenty of facts, and great analysis.
I particularly like the headline.
Jan 26, 2011, 10:27 am
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Excuse my cynicism, but I do rank Jesse's sincerity as being in the same quartile with that of the Czar of professional wrestling. Now, I've known several federal judges, none of whom seemed to give a tinker's damn for a plaintiff's celebrity status, and sadly, much of the available case law seems to come down on the gubmint's insensitive, intrusive side.
Interesting trivia note: according to one of our TSO posters here, his top boss is a former federal judge. Same airport that let Alvin Crabtree back on duty.
Jan 26, 2011, 3:47 pm
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Actually, that is not justification. It is normal to give background information on the Plaintiff, and his background gives him some credibility.
Jan 26, 2011, 5:22 pm
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Um... Reading back, I gather from context that you actually mean you prefer the TERM "molestation" over the terms "frisks", "gropes", or "pat-downs". I hope.
Jan 27, 2011, 7:23 am
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Recently, I watched his 9/11 conspiracy 'show'. It was very deeply offensive.
If he is not grandstanding and seriously pursues this case, the entire public will benefit and I wish him the best.
If he is not grandstanding and seriously pursues this case, the entire public will benefit and I wish him the best.
Jan 29, 2011, 12:41 pm
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Ventura's suit was mentioned on NBC Nightly News on Jan. 27. Presenter Brian Williams added, "I'm sure many people would agree with him." So regardless of one's opinion of Jesse Ventura as a politician, he is bringing respectable attention to the problem of TSA searches.
Mar 29, 2011, 7:26 am
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Isn't this a Familiar Scam?
http://kstp.com/article/stories/s2039417.shtml
The Feds tried this same delay/dodge with a FlyerTalk Member - right?
Yep - found it:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trave...n-dismiss.html
The Feds tried this same delay/dodge with a FlyerTalk Member - right?
Yep - found it:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trave...n-dismiss.html
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Jul 25, 2011, 7:38 am
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Jesse Ventura's case is being heard.
http://www.presstv.ir/usdetail/190589.html
"Former Minnesota Governor Jesse Ventura lambasted at a federal court hearing 'un-American' security procedures implemented at airports across the nation in 2010.
He filed a lawsuit with the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) in January, claiming their use of pat down searches at airport security checkpoints is unconstitutional. Pioneer Press reported that a lawyer for Ventura argued in federal court that the searches violate his Fourth Amendment right against unreasonable and unwarranted searches..."
http://www.presstv.ir/usdetail/190589.html
"Former Minnesota Governor Jesse Ventura lambasted at a federal court hearing 'un-American' security procedures implemented at airports across the nation in 2010.
He filed a lawsuit with the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) in January, claiming their use of pat down searches at airport security checkpoints is unconstitutional. Pioneer Press reported that a lawyer for Ventura argued in federal court that the searches violate his Fourth Amendment right against unreasonable and unwarranted searches..."