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Old Jul 28, 2010 | 2:11 pm
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Originally Posted by DeaconFlyer
So once you found out you might not be able to fly, your "medical reason" went away huh?

Maybe sticking to the truth will help expedite things next time.
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Once threatened by an abusive government employee overstepping his bounds and violating the ADA, the OP decided that the inconvenience and medical risk involved to him/her wasn't worth the effort of standing up for his/her rights.

When will TSA learn that "medical reasons" are medical reasons, and that not providing accommodation for them violates the Americans with Disabilities Act? When will TSA learn that retaliatory screening (which is purely what the OP endured) is unacceptable behavior from an organization that's supposed to be filled with professionals?

Silly, immature pranks like TSA pulled here belong in high school locker rooms, not in the workplace. But given that most screeners actively exhibit the emotional stability, intellectual capacity, and maturity of high schoolers it might be fitting for the flying public to not expect much more...
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Old Jul 28, 2010 | 2:43 pm
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Originally Posted by clrankin
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Once threatened by an abusive government employee overstepping his bounds and violating the ADA, the OP decided that the inconvenience and medical risk involved to him/her wasn't worth the effort of standing up for his/her rights.

When will TSA learn that "medical reasons" are medical reasons, and that not providing accommodation for them violates the Americans with Disabilities Act? When will TSA learn that retaliatory screening (which is purely what the OP endured) is unacceptable behavior from an organization that's supposed to be filled with professionals?

Silly, immature pranks like TSA pulled here belong in high school locker rooms, not in the workplace. But given that most screeners actively exhibit the emotional stability, intellectual capacity, and maturity of high schoolers it might be fitting for the flying public to not expect much more...
I normally stay out of the TSA based threads butI am kind of curious and since many here spend a lot of time asking for sections of law. Could you kindly cite the section of the ADA that was violated? I fully realize that it appears that TSA's policy was not followed and that certainly is a problem that should be addressed. I am just wondering what section of the ADA was violated as the ADA is a fairly large encompassing statute.

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Old Jul 28, 2010 | 2:48 pm
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Originally Posted by Firebug4
I normally stay out of the TSA based threads butI am kind of curious and since many here spend a lot of time asking for sections of law. Could you kindly cite the section of the ADA that was violated? I fully realize that it appears that TSA's policy was not followed and that certainly is a problem that should be addressed. I am just wondering what section of the ADA was violated as the ADA is a fairly large encompassing statute.

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Im not actually sure policy was violated. The OP does not state whether or not there was an ETD alarm on the shoes. Does not state whether there was a HHMD alarm on the shoes. Given certain conditions, you can inform a passenger they shoes hav to be removed or they can not proceed past the checkpoint. Which might translate to dy...t.

The OP supplied incomplete info; but I'm not certain the OP has all the info. I think it's possible there were alarms and the TSOs did not inform him.

Also, that was not the FSD, but most likely a TSM.
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Old Jul 28, 2010 | 3:02 pm
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Originally Posted by SATTSO
The OP does not state whether or not there was an ETD alarm on the shoes.
Oh, really . . .

Originally Posted by Himeno
They then go ahead with a full secondary screening, starting with a full pat down and grope. After the pat down, he disappears again to get the swab and swabs my shoes. Tests that, comes back to swab my hands. Both come back clear, and they go back into their huddle.
Originally Posted by SATTSO
Given certain conditions, you can inform a passenger they shoes hav to be removed or they can not proceed past the checkpoint. Which might translate to dy...t.

The OP supplied incomplete info; but I'm not certain the OP has all the info. I think it's possible there were alarms and the TSOs did not inform him.
Given what many FT'ers with medical conditions and "medical conditions" alike have gone through, that seems like the less likely option. It is also important to note that the "huddle" formed before any tests were done. Furthermore, isn't passenger information recorded when there is a positive ETD?-- others have reported that. This seems more like retaliation, but you are entitled to your opinion.
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Old Jul 28, 2010 | 4:05 pm
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Originally Posted by Ari
Oh, really . . .





Given what many FT'ers with medical conditions and "medical conditions" alike have gone through, that seems like the less likely option. It is also important to note that the "huddle" formed before any tests were done. Furthermore, isn't passenger information recorded when there is a positive ETD?-- others have reported that. This seems more like retaliation, but you are entitled to your opinion.
He said they went clear but also stated the TSO disappeared to run the test. I seen alarms happen and the passenger not told. Is that correct? No; we both know that. But would that surprise you??

How does he know what heppened when the TSO disappeared?

From what he described, pat-down and bag check, sounds like the alarm resolute procedure to me. Right out of the book.

However, like i said. We don't know; nor does the OP, S he stated he wasn't there to see the results of the test.
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Old Jul 28, 2010 | 4:27 pm
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Originally Posted by SATTSO
He said they went clear but also stated the TSO disappeared to run the test. I seen alarms happen and the passenger not told. Is that correct? No; we both know that. But would that surprise you??

How does he know what heppened when the TSO disappeared?
I could see the ETD machine from the box... I was watching that area because my bags and laptop were there.

From what he described, pat-down and bag check, sounds like the alarm resolute procedure to me. Right out of the book.
I went through the WTMD with no alarm. My bags went through the x-ray with no alarm. They did the pat down before anything was swabbed. The pat down had nothing to do with any unresolved alarm. There had been no alarm to resolve. They had already decided to do a bag check before they started doing anything.
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Old Jul 29, 2010 | 5:53 pm
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Himeno, please consider filing a complaint with the Talk to TSA site. Even if it can't help make this a better experience for you, perhaps we can use the feedback to improve in the future. Hope your next flight and trip through a TSA checkpoint is much more smooth, and that you have a better experience!

https://contact.tsa.dhs.gov/talktotsa/talktotsa.aspx
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