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Tom M. May 10, 2010 10:28 am

Are liquid rules history?
 
Interesting article:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37021555/ns/travel-tips/

...Passengers say the TSA has all but stopped screening their baggage for liquids. They say transportation security officers no longer ask them to remove lotions, shampoos and even water bottles from their luggage, and overlook all manner of liquids packed in their carry-ons during screening.....

jbcarioca May 10, 2010 10:32 am

Their "passengers" must not fly in and out of the airports I do. Has anybody else actually had such experiences? It's not 1st April is it?

Spiff May 10, 2010 10:34 am

I had a hotel-provided cheap bottle of water stolen from me less than 1 month ago. I sneered at the thief in disgust and went on my way. I hope he enjoyed it.

jkhuggins May 10, 2010 10:56 am


Originally Posted by http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/12923248-post39.html
6. We don't do it that way at my airport.
6a. Other airports do it wrong; we're doing it right.
6b. Our airport has additional procedures; we're allowed to do it.
9. We don't do it that way anymore.
10. It's on the website; we're not going to explain it again.
10a. The TSA website is wrong.
24. Some airports do, some don't. Each airport is different.
24a. This is part of our predictably unpredictable program.


onthego15 May 10, 2010 11:14 am

That would be wonderful for me, if true. I carry water bottles with me everywhere, and it's a pain to have to empty them out every time I go thru security.

SATTSO May 10, 2010 11:14 am


Originally Posted by Spiff (Post 13931565)
I had a hotel-provided cheap bottle of water stolen from me less than 1 month ago. I sneered at the thief in disgust and went on my way. I hope he enjoyed it.

Lol you don't really think the TSO drank it, do you??

Bu as to the topic of this thread. Numerous TSA employees have post on this site that we observe LGAs in luggage as it goes through x-ray screening, and make a judgement call as to the size of the LGA. Yes, sometimes larger LGAs get through, sometimes they do not. But how many times have you read on this site where a pax says TSA missed their LGA? It wasn't missed, the TSO let it go, in my opinion.

An no, this is not SOP. And some TSOs do follow SOP and require LGAs to be out.

We, as TSOs, found we can make the checkpoint go more smoothly and more quickly if we do this. Not quicker for us, but for the passengers.

Believe it or not (and you can look up my and other TSOs post were we have said this, if you feel like it).

Policypeddler May 10, 2010 11:17 am

I've carried my plastic bag with small liquids and jells in my carry-on for at least 8 to 10 TSA Inspections in past 6 months. Not once have they asked to search or mentioned the liquids.
I presumed they are not enforcing this rule any longer; however, since it is still an active rule, they can use it conveniently to harass you if they choose.

Spiff May 10, 2010 11:17 am


Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 13931853)
Lol you don't really think the TSO drank it, do you??

I really don't care what the TSA-employed thief did with it, but I know where I would have liked him to put it.

N965VJ May 10, 2010 11:25 am


Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 13931853)
Lol you don't really think the TSO drank it, do you??

Yeah, it was probably tossed in a trash can. Is that the proper way to dispose of "dangerous goods"? :p

jkhuggins May 10, 2010 11:27 am


Originally Posted by Policypeddler (Post 13931868)
I presumed they are not enforcing this rule any longer; however, since it is still an active rule, they can use it conveniently to harass you if they choose.

And that is precisely the problem with the liquids policy. If it's being enforced arbitrarily, it leads to confusion at best --- and abuse at worst.

Either every TSO should enforce the rule as written, or the rule should be changed.

clrankin May 10, 2010 11:49 am


Originally Posted by jkhuggins (Post 13931928)
And that is precisely the problem with the liquids policy. If it's being enforced arbitrarily, it leads to confusion at best --- and abuse at worst.

Either every TSO should enforce the rule as written, or the rule should be changed.

But that ruins the "That's not the way it's done at my airport" and "We do things differently at different times as one of the layers of security" defenses... :)

Boggie Dog May 10, 2010 11:51 am


Originally Posted by N965VJ (Post 13931916)
Yeah, it was probably tossed in a trash can. Is that the proper way to dispose of "dangerous goods"? :p

Another area TSA has failed to address with any honesty.

How can TSA toss supposedly questionable items in common trash, items so potentially dangerous they cannot be allowed through the checkpoint, yet not take adequate precautions to protect TSA employees and members of the public transiting the checkpoint from these possibly dangerous items?

TSA all Show, no Go!

Awtas May 10, 2010 12:09 pm

interesting topic.
I don't think that rules for liquids do not apply anymore.
Here's my recent experience.
SFO, May 7th 2010.
I'm in line for an ID check.
Person behind me has a half empty bottle of water.
Person coordinating the traffic tells pax behind me that she will not be allowed to take it and if she wants she has to drink it now.
Security employee also mentioned that if it was frozen (ice) she would be able to take it.

Same SFO, same May 7th 2010, same checkpoint. One of the crew members had half empty bottle of wine in a Trader Joe's bag. No issues passing the security.

I guess it really depends on who you are... same is with the shoes. I've seen at the same SFO that for some people are not required to take their shoes off, and when I asked screener if rules were changed, response was that "he's an employee"

FriendlySkies May 10, 2010 12:12 pm


Originally Posted by Spiff (Post 13931870)
I really don't care what the TSA-employed thief did with it, but I know where I would have liked him to put it.

^:D:p


Originally Posted by N965VJ (Post 13931916)
Yeah, it was probably tossed in a trash can. Is that the proper way to dispose of "dangerous goods"? :p

TSA knows what they are doing, so why question them??:rolleyes:;)


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 13932103)
Another area TSA has failed to address with any honesty.

How can TSA toss supposedly questionable items in common trash, items so potentially dangerous they cannot be allowed through the checkpoint, yet not take adequate precautions to protect TSA employees and members of the public transiting the checkpoint from these possibly dangerous items?

TSA all Show, no Go!

Another layer of security?

SATTSO May 10, 2010 12:22 pm

Spiff, can you prove he is a thief, or do you simply make satements you can back up?


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