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Wally Bird May 16, 2010 9:14 am


Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 13966366)
If it was me and I despised TSA and it's policies and how it treated people (which isn't me ;) ) , i believe my personal form of protest would be to go where I want to go and enjoy myself in spite of TSA to spite TSA.

I took early retirement shortly after the Great Binary Liquid Nonsense. Prior to that I had endured the vagaries and caprices of TSA screeners with mounting annoyance. Now, the 5 or 6 times a year I fly for leisure I simply zen through the checkpoint umm.., experience.

Did the TSA change my life ? I suppose so, for the better.
Does the TSA control my life ? Hell no, although I'm sure you'd like to.
Do I feel like a surrender monkey ? Not in the least, life's too short; but I retain the right to lambast the TSA every chance I get.

You may have noticed.

SATTSO May 16, 2010 2:21 pm


Originally Posted by AngryMiller (Post 13966553)
Hmmm, there's been a couple times I've considered quitting my job and taking a significant cut in pay to avoid both TSA and TSOs. The only reason I fly is for business purposes.

I've been through TSA's security process since day one, been patted down at the checkpoint, gate, and gate again at another airport because of the SSSS on the boarding pass (short time frame flying) and more. Funny thing is that I've worked on board the EC-135 (Looking Glass), E4B flying command post, etc. and had less difficulty getting on board those aircraft(think of signs up authorizing use of deadly force) than I've had trying to fly with belongings and dignity intact for business. That shouldn't be the case.:mad::(:td:

SATTSO, you talk a good talk about not surrendering to TSA, but if every time you flew you encountered a new outrage from a government agency whose purported purpose was to keep you safe, wouldn't you grow tired of dealing with it for every trip? That's where many of us are today. We're tired of the screamers, the TSOs who don't know their job (not knowing the SOP IMHO is the same as not knowing their job), being lied to when we quote TSA's own web site (web site is wrong-all other airports do it wrong, we're right-shoes on the belt is the policy).

Your agency is broken and doesn't respond to valid traveler's complaints. When it does respond often it is with a very condescending attitude. We don't want insult being added to injury when we complain and often that is the case. We've told/asked/begged/pleaded for something to get done and we, the citizens and guests (non citizens) get ignored at every turn. FIX YOUR AGENCY.

Whether or not I grew tired of it, I would still fly if I wanted to. Simple as that. Yet I have seen a few post on this site where someone said they won't even visit family because if TSA. Sorry, in my book, that's surrender.

And to be honest with you, I wouldn't let it consume me. Once the trip was over - out of sight, out of mind. Just my opinion, but some people see to drag their bad experiences with them; I wonder how many people here have had a vacation ruined because of a bad experience with a TSO and then all during their trip all they could think about was that bad experience. Personally, I would rather be happy than mad.

And I am not saying ignore it completely. ;) file complaints, write to congress, sign petitions. But just my opinion, when you alter your life ("gee, I really want to go [insert destination], but I'll have to fly and deal with TSA, so I refuse to go, so no, I won't go!) then you have given TSA control over that part of your life.

Remember, I fly too. Sure not as much as you, most likely. and I have encountered so e terrible TSOs and had bad expereinces. Not once has it ruined my trip, not once would I consider not going some where. Period. It's my life, not yours anyone else, so if I want to go somewhere, I'll go. Simple as that.

I refuse to stay at home and stew in my own juices. But then again, we all have to make our own decisions.

AngryMiller May 16, 2010 2:57 pm


Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 13967988)
Whether or not I grew tired of it, I would still fly if I wanted to. Simple as that. Yet I have seen a few post on this site where someone said they won't even visit family because if TSA. Sorry, in my book, that's surrender.

And to be honest with you, I wouldn't let it consume me. Once the trip was over - out of sight, out of mind. Just my opinion, but some people see to drag their bad experiences with them; I wonder how many people here have had a vacation ruined because of a bad experience with a TSO and then all during their trip all they could think about was that bad experience. Personally, I would rather be happy than mad.

And I am not saying ignore it completely. ;) file complaints, write to congress, sign petitions. But just my opinion, when you alter your life ("gee, I really want to go [insert destination], but I'll have to fly and deal with TSA, so I refuse to go, so no, I won't go!) then you have given TSA control over that part of your life.

Remember, I fly too. Sure not as much as you, most likely. and I have encountered so e terrible TSOs and had bad expereinces. Not once has it ruined my trip, not once would I consider not going some where. Period. It's my life, not yours anyone else, so if I want to go somewhere, I'll go. Simple as that.

I refuse to stay at home and stew in my own juices. But then again, we all have to make our own decisions.

Sorry, but I take my job very seriously. When I travel it is because a customer is down. I bring the tools and equipment needed to get the customer running again. When TSA fails to resecure my tool chest it puts my livelyhood at stake. Why go to the customer site when you have nothing to repair their equipment after your tool chest was pillaged? Dwell on it? When you open your luggage you expect everything to be there. It isn't always the case.

SATTSO May 16, 2010 3:22 pm


Originally Posted by AngryMiller (Post 13968162)
Sorry, but I take my job very seriously. When I travel it is because a customer is down. I bring the tools and equipment needed to get the customer running again. When TSA fails to resecure my tool chest it puts my livelyhood at stake. Why go to the customer site when you have nothing to repair their equipment after your tool chest was pillaged? Dwell on it? When you open your luggage you expect everything to be there. It isn't always the case.

I actually wasn't talking about your job, specifically. I was talking about travel in general. Some here hae post they will not even travel to see their family. That amazes me. If I want to go somewhere, I wouldn't let anyone stop me (if I'm legally allowed to travel there and can afford it ;) ). I'm not so jaded yet; to me there are many things in the world to see and re-see, things to do and re-do. At the same time, I'm also not someone who surrenders so easily. But that's just me.

Boggie Dog May 16, 2010 3:36 pm


Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 13968274)
I actually wasn't talking about your job, specifically. I was talking about travel in general. Some here hae post they will not even travel to see their family. That amazes me. If I want to go somewhere, I wouldn't let anyone stop me (if I'm legally allowed to travel there and can afford it ;) ). I'm not so jaded yet; to me there are many things in the world to see and re-see, things to do and re-do. At the same time, I'm also not someone who surrenders so easily. But that's just me.

I travel for pleasure with the odd business trip thrown in. To be honest I look for alternative travel modes to avoid TSA. Sadly in this country most long distance travel is still accomplished by air. From my area (DFW) a train to south Florida is a 3 day ordeal. I can do it faster by car which I am more willing to do nowadays, time off allowing. Haven't checked on bus travel.

Going through an airport should not be the hassle it has become, and that hassle is caused purely by TSA.

That is something for you and TSA to consider!

DevilDog438 May 16, 2010 4:19 pm


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 13968336)
That is something for you and TSA to consider!

They (TSA) do not care. How dare you not think of 9/11 and the children...damn you, Comrade Boggie DOg...to re-education gulag with you.

Lumpy May 16, 2010 5:48 pm

Jie Jie, the only way I know to avoid the TSA is not to be part of it AT ALL, until the government we USED to have realizes it's shredding our constitution with every unwarranted Public Example they choose. If you don't show up, they don't make you bend over. The rape of my American rights was screaming at me when I was forced into their two secondaries in a row 5 years back. I knew right then what I was going to do. After writing congress, POTUS, even the HI BBB and the filing of official complaints against the TSOs who misused me, I got a call from a TSA PR rep, of all things (world's strangest oxymoron, IMHO), and form letters to beat the band.

The ultimate insult was the Form Letter of APOLOGY! I AM NOT MAKING THIS UP!

I guess it depends on how elevated you put your citizen's rights and entitlements on your values scale. Seems this is the state of things now, and everyone seems to accept it as "annoying but necessary." Kinda like the billboards you see posted along the highway to advertise the best bail bondsman. In other words, we are saying to our citizens (yes, including grandmas, but ESPECIALLY kids) that we KNOW you will be jailed, and you need to be thinking about bail NOW.

I cannot even imagine a night in jail, or one for the students I tried to teach ethics AND subject matter.

You're damn right I won't be in the grope of these parasites again, because they, above ALL people, know how WRONG they are and go on with it ANYWAY! Anything for a paycheck?

Not now, not ever, Dear. Perhaps your parents could come to see YOU. TSA LOVES easy targets, though, and your folks might get the "bend over" order. My best advice is to totally ignore TSA until people who know your good reputation ask why you don't fly any more. Then tell the world. Loudly.

As long as it takes.

And I AM NOT the one who's rolled over and succombed, TSOs. Traitors to the Bill of Rights do that, if you can get my drift through the fog. You TSA people absolutely scare the HELL out of me. Even more frightening is that you don't seem to understand why this might be so. Redefines who the terrorists really are.

SATTSO May 16, 2010 7:39 pm


Originally Posted by Lumpy (Post 13968919)
Jie Jie, the only way I know to avoid the TSA is not to be part of it AT ALL, until the government we USED to have realizes it's shredding our constitution with every unwarranted Public Example they choose. If you don't show up, they don't make you bend over. The rape of my American rights was screaming at me when I was forced into their two secondaries in a row 5 years back. I knew right then what I was going to do. After writing congress, POTUS, even the HI BBB and the filing of official complaints against the TSOs who misused me, I got a call from a TSA PR rep, of all things (world's strangest oxymoron, IMHO), and form letters to beat the band.

The ultimate insult was the Form Letter of APOLOGY! I AM NOT MAKING THIS UP!

I guess it depends on how elevated you put your citizen's rights and entitlements on your values scale. Seems this is the state of things now, and everyone seems to accept it as "annoying but necessary." Kinda like the billboards you see posted along the highway to advertise the best bail bondsman. In other words, we are saying to our citizens (yes, including grandmas, but ESPECIALLY kids) that we KNOW you will be jailed, and you need to be thinking about bail NOW.

I cannot even imagine a night in jail, or one for the students I tried to teach ethics AND subject matter.

You're damn right I won't be in the grope of these parasites again, because they, above ALL people, know how WRONG they are and go on with it ANYWAY! Anything for a paycheck?

Not now, not ever, Dear. Perhaps your parents could come to see YOU. TSA LOVES easy targets, though, and your folks might get the "bend over" order. My best advice is to totally ignore TSA until people who know your good reputation ask why you don't fly any more. Then tell the world. Loudly.

As long as it takes.

And I AM NOT the one who's rolled over and succombed, TSOs. Traitors to the Bill of Rights do that, if you can get my drift through the fog. You TSA people absolutely scare the HELL out of me. Even more frightening is that you don't seem to understand why this might be so. Redefines who the terrorists really are.

I'm curious as to your last statemenst: you state I don't seem to understand.... What in the world makes you think that? Is it at all possible I do understand what you are saying, I simply do not agree with you? It would indeed be a fearful world for democracies if we all thought alike, wouldn't it? To be honest, I find though like that very narrow minded, and usually self-justified, if you know what I mean? Just my opinion....

And in all your teachings, did you ever teach anyone that people place different utility on different things? Under what reason, by what logic, should I be fearful of the things that scare you? What confounds me is the thought that in a democracy only one thrain of thought can be both correct and acceptable. Hey, but to each their own ;)

And again, I simply wouldn't surrender as easily as some of you seem to have done. But that's just me.

As this has strayed far from the original topic, and headed to OMNI, this will be my last comment in the public forum regarding this. Feel free to post. But if you really wish to continue this conversation, by all means, send me a private message (as long as we can keep it civil :) ).

jiejie May 18, 2010 5:19 am


Originally Posted by SATTSO (Post 13966366)
But isn't there more to it than what you say? Why give TSA that much control over your life? Ok, you fly because you have to. But what if you wish to go somewhere for personal reason, but refuse to go because you refuse to fly? It jsut seems to me that those who decide not to fly have in fact inadvertantly give TSA a good deal of control over a specific part of their life.

If it was me and I despised TSA and it's policies and how it treated people (which isn't me ;) ) , i believe my personal form of protest would be to go where I want to go and enjoy myself in spite of TSA to spite TSA. I would NEVER give up that much control of my one and only life to someone else.

But this is just my opinion.

I only have this problem when I come to the USA, and the only reason I come back to the USA anymore is to see my elderly parents. One is chronically ill and the other has Alzheimers: sadly, travel for them is mostly no longer an option, and I would not ask them to do something voluntarily (suffer under the TSA) just to enable me to avoid it myself. Performing my loving and devoted daughterly duties are one of the few things in life that make me endure this...for now.

For all other personal travel, I can either use alternate means to commercial air travel, and/or stay outside the USA entirely, where air travel/security is generally more sensible (yes even in totalitarian China), and there is no TSA.


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