And exactly how do you determine either of the above ? Magic X-ray vision ?

And don't try to tell us that every liquid gt 3.4oz is tested. You just throw it in the bin. QED.

You've told us you are a security expert. Surely you must have an understanding of what needs to be done for security.

In another thread you indicated that the checkpoint where a liquid would be tossed into the trash is not the sterile area. Just how could you escort the person being screened out of the sterile area in this case?

Do you just make this up to suit your needs as you go?

I don't know what Ron would answer, but the checkpoint is not the sterile area. Not sure about where Ron works, but at SAT I often have to escort people out of both the sterile area and checkpoint so they can dispose of a LGA. Perhaps it is the same at his airport?

Ok. You have a nice list of things that TSA should do more of; it's a reasonable opinion. Now, given that TSA doesn't have an infinite pile of money at its disposal ... what, in your opinion, should be the first priority?

And for an infinitely more difficult question ... what thing that TSA does now should TSA stop doing in order to free up money for your first priority?

OK, then perhaps escort the person out of the checkpoint and prevent them from entering the secure area would be more correct.

The point remains that TSORon contradicted himself once again.

Unless one goes backwards through the checkpoint (WTMD and TDC), one usually has to go through the sterile area to get out of the checkpoint once in it. (Think DCA JuiceGate).

So I guess a TSO would have to escort someone out of the checkpoint into the sterile area and then to the exit of the sterile area in effect escorting them out of the sterile area.

You have to escort someone out of the checkpoint and then through a small part of the sterile area to get them to the exit at SAT. As Ari noted, we don't escort them "backwards" through the checkpoint. So again, and just guessing here, I think that was what Ron meant/said, and if so he didn't contradict himself.

Perhaps, but that seem problematic.

A prohibited item is introduced to the sterile area even if for only a short period of time. If the prohibited item as an explosive it could be detonated at that point.

An explosive can be detonated at any point, inside the checkpoint or out. However, to clarify, when you escort someone out of the checkpoint with a prohibited item, the TSO maintains control of it until you are clear of the sterile area.

I'm going to go with "eh" on that one from the logical standpoint. (I attempt not to confuse logic with the TSA, but whatever). One can do much more damage by detonating a bomb in a line crowded as a result of a TDC who spends 30 seconds on each ID than in a small section of the sterile area.

Besides, SATTSO has clarified that the TSO is to mantain control of the prohibited item during that brief period, so if the item is a remote-trigger explosive, the TSO suffers the most.

I AM an English teacher (retired) and a grandpa 8 times and dad of a state trooper chief. I like to think I've learned whereof I speak in the last 60+ years. And I knew 5 years ago when I STOPPED FLYING what the TSA was, what it was up to, and it all quickly turned into "Rent-a Barney Fife", while the REAL cops are out there dealing with reality.

NOBODY will EVER treat me as a criminal suspect in my own country again, and most certainly not the cretins who comprise the membership of the TSA. As I read the responses of the TSOs in this forum I am AMAZED any one ELSE is still lining up for these nitwits to frisk, detain, humiliate and madden however they wish in the name of SSI. Mission creep, in this instance, means a mission most literally MANNED by creeps.

And if you still think it's a good idea to support them by lining up, go for it.

I won't. My mama never did raise such a stupid child.

No singing lessons for the TSA yet, folks.

I generally love your contribution above, but can't make the leap of logic that "lining up" = "support." I do wonder if you have any practical advice for avoiding the TSA, for those of us whose livelihood is on a different continent but need to periodically return to the US to visit our retired, elderly parents of same generation as yourself? Hint: Driving is not an option.

Time for a shower....


"deal with it" how? Many of these items are just thrown into a bin, without further testing....


And then the passenger can simply throws it into the bin.

Which contradicts your answer in post #105


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Originally Posted by Tom M. View Post
So when you find potentially dangerous liquids at the checkpoint, why do you allow passengers to simply throw the items away?

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Originally Posted by TSORon

I’ll use small words. I don’t.

Apparently, Mr. Straight Shooter, you do....


The problem is that you don't test every liquid Which goes back to my point that TSO's have greater responsibilities regarding illegal drugs than the do with suspicious or dangerous liquids.



No


No

But isn't there more to it than what you say? Why give TSA that much control over your life? Ok, you fly because you have to. But what if you wish to go somewhere for personal reason, but refuse to go because you refuse to fly? It jsut seems to me that those who decide not to fly have in fact inadvertantly give TSA a good deal of control over a specific part of their life.

If it was me and I despised TSA and it's policies and how it treated people (which isn't me ) , i believe my personal form of protest would be to go where I want to go and enjoy myself in spite of TSA to spite TSA. I would NEVER give up that much control of my one and only life to someone else.

But this is just my opinion.

Hmmm, there's been a couple times I've considered quitting my job and taking a significant cut in pay to avoid both TSA and TSOs. The only reason I fly is for business purposes.

I've been through TSA's security process since day one, been patted down at the checkpoint, gate, and gate again at another airport because of the SSSS on the boarding pass (short time frame flying) and more. Funny thing is that I've worked on board the EC-135 (Looking Glass), E4B flying command post, etc. and had less difficulty getting on board those aircraft(think of signs up authorizing use of deadly force) than I've had trying to fly with belongings and dignity intact for business. That shouldn't be the case.

SATTSO, you talk a good talk about not surrendering to TSA, but if every time you flew you encountered a new outrage from a government agency whose purported purpose was to keep you safe, wouldn't you grow tired of dealing with it for every trip? That's where many of us are today. We're tired of the screamers, the TSOs who don't know their job (not knowing the SOP IMHO is the same as not knowing their job), being lied to when we quote TSA's own web site (web site is wrong-all other airports do it wrong, we're right-shoes on the belt is the policy).

Your agency is broken and doesn't respond to valid traveler's complaints. When it does respond often it is with a very condescending attitude. We don't want insult being added to injury when we complain and often that is the case. We've told/asked/begged/pleaded for something to get done and we, the citizens and guests (non citizens) get ignored at every turn. FIX YOUR AGENCY.