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Dec 6, 2009, 11:05 pm
#106
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Lol I wasn't talking airport agents either....
Dec 6, 2009, 11:06 pm
#107
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It's been live on the FBO site since March 9, 2009.
It got noticed on the big travel sites late Sat night/early Sun morning and then it is suddenly pulled on a Sunday night in Dec?
It's not like a supervisor overrode the decision an hour after it had been posted. It was live for nearly NINE FULL MONTHS before it got pulled.
Someone's getting a new ....... reamed first thing Monday morning, if they haven't already.
Dec 6, 2009, 11:06 pm
#108
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Like the part where the supervisor is responsible for making sure signage is correctly displayed? 
I believe the bigger scandal is that many of the so-called SSI sections that were (clumsily) blacked out are really pedestrian. See post #3 for example. No one doubts that there are some things that need to be kept secret, but if these represent TSA's standard of "secret information", it's pretty lame. And I doubt that's changed significantly since the date of this document.
I believe the bigger scandal is that many of the so-called SSI sections that were (clumsily) blacked out are really pedestrian. See post #3 for example. No one doubts that there are some things that need to be kept secret, but if these represent TSA's standard of "secret information", it's pretty lame. And I doubt that's changed significantly since the date of this document.
Dec 6, 2009, 11:10 pm
#109
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Someone made the decision to post it in MARCH.
It's been live on the FBO site since March 9, 2009.
It got noticed on the big travel sites late Sat night/early Sun morning and then it is suddenly pulled on a Sunday night in Dec?
It's not like a supervisor overrode the decision an hour after it had been posted. It was live for nearly NINE FULL MONTHS before it got pulled.
Someone's getting a new ....... reamed first thing Monday morning, if they haven't already.
It's been live on the FBO site since March 9, 2009.
It got noticed on the big travel sites late Sat night/early Sun morning and then it is suddenly pulled on a Sunday night in Dec?
It's not like a supervisor overrode the decision an hour after it had been posted. It was live for nearly NINE FULL MONTHS before it got pulled.
Someone's getting a new ....... reamed first thing Monday morning, if they haven't already.
Where did I say it was pulled right after it was post?
It is possible a disgruntled employee post this. It could have just been a mistake. Someone at TSA could have changed their minds. Dunno.
I do know that thus document doesn't reveal any procedures as far as screening goes. Oh sure, you can see what it entails when an armed LEO flies (parts of this have been changed since this document), but so what? As far as procedures TSOs use to screen you, nothing is here. Sorry.
Dec 6, 2009, 11:18 pm
#110
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If that's the case, how would that apply to my last thread I started in S&S? I would have called over an LEO to stop the lack of common sense used in the last unconstitutional search I was subjected to had I been blessed with the knowledge in this document. At no time was it offered to me that I had that right.
Where logic is there in not making that information available to me?
Where logic is there in not making that information available to me?
Dec 6, 2009, 11:30 pm
#111
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If that's the case, how would that apply to my last thread I started in S&S? I would have called over an LEO to stop the lack of common sense used in the last unconstitutional search I was subjected to had I been blessed with the knowledge in this document. At no time was it offered to me that I had that right.
Where logic is there in not making that information available to me?
Where logic is there in not making that information available to me?
Note that I am not saying at all that TSOs or higher do everything right. We know for a fact that some do not; I have never refuted that, in fact, I have always made that claim too.
What I am saying is true: this document reveals nothing about the procedures a TSO needs to do to complete their job (which is different than saying a TSO dis their job badly, which is I guess the claim (and I have no reason not to believe you) you are making).
Or look at it this way. Can you find in this document the established procedures - or steps - a TSO needs to do, in order, to search your property, or to pat you down?
Dec 6, 2009, 11:49 pm
#112
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My concern wasn't what the agent needed to do (ahem, or NOT do), but what rights I had as a passenger and why those policies that apparently were documented weren't available to the traveling public. This publication reveals that things should have gone differently. Even criminals (read: how TSA sees everyone) have rights and are entitled to know what they are.
As a refresher, this was the thread I was referring to:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trave...-h-ll-msp.html
Dec 7, 2009, 7:05 am
#113
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Just to let you know, TSA has employees working 24 hours a day, even in offices. My airport closes for around 6 to 8 hours a night, depending in the terminal, yet we have employees working every night. I know for a fact DHS HQ and TSA HQ have some of their offices open 24/7 every day, no holidays.
Dec 7, 2009, 7:50 am
#114
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I'm just saying that for the the most part, the SSI guy went home for the night along with the bigwigs.
There's only a skeleton crew on staff in our coordination center that answer phones and direct the overnight shifts around. And they'd probably just log it for when the bigwigs and the rest of staff come back in the morning.
Dec 7, 2009, 8:08 am
#115
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That's funny since you were the first person to reply to that thread.
My concern wasn't what the agent needed to do (ahem, or NOT do), but what rights I had as a passenger and why those policies that apparently were documented weren't available to the traveling public. This publication reveals that things should have gone differently. Even criminals (read: how TSA sees everyone) have rights and are entitled to know what they are.
As a refresher, this was the thread I was referring to:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trave...-h-ll-msp.html
My concern wasn't what the agent needed to do (ahem, or NOT do), but what rights I had as a passenger and why those policies that apparently were documented weren't available to the traveling public. This publication reveals that things should have gone differently. Even criminals (read: how TSA sees everyone) have rights and are entitled to know what they are.
As a refresher, this was the thread I was referring to:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trave...-h-ll-msp.html
I wonder, what should have happened, do you think, after reading this sop?
Dec 7, 2009, 8:14 am
#116
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So anyone want to bet that TSA says nada about having this document out on the web and so poorly redacted as to be the same as clear text?
I would even bet that no one is held accountable inside TSA for this since accountability is apparently not required of TSA employees.
And do keep in mind, these are the people who claim to be on the "Front Lines" on the war on terror.
I feel really safe with TSA on the job!
I would even bet that no one is held accountable inside TSA for this since accountability is apparently not required of TSA employees.
And do keep in mind, these are the people who claim to be on the "Front Lines" on the war on terror.
I feel really safe with TSA on the job!
Dec 7, 2009, 8:15 am
#117
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Dec 7, 2009, 8:27 am
#118
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I contacted the Office of Public Affairs this morning for a comment. I have spoken with someone there and thus far received a "no comment" but a promise of follow-up later. We'll see what comes of it.
I contacted the Office of Public Affairs this morning for a comment. I have spoken with someone there and thus far received a "no comment" but a promise of follow-up later. We'll see what comes of it.
Dec 7, 2009, 8:27 am
#119
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the individual’s accessible property is completed, either by TSA or an LEO."
Dec 7, 2009, 8:30 am
#120
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I contacted the Office of Public Affairs this morning for a comment. I have spoken with someone there and thus far received a "no comment" but a promise of follow-up later. We'll see what comes of it.
I contacted the Office of Public Affairs this morning for a comment. I have spoken with someone there and thus far received a "no comment" but a promise of follow-up later. We'll see what comes of it.