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This thread--a continuation of previous discussions through May 2015 and December 2016--focuses on general Chase policies & practices for new applications. For information on specific Chase cards and their bonuses/terms/benefits, see the following threads and their associated wikis: Table of Contents
  1. Does Chase have a limit on the number or frequency of applications like Citi's 8/65 rule?

  2. What's this I hear about Chase denying applications to people who have recently opened a lot of credit cards?

  3. Does the 5/24 rule apply to applications for all Chase cards?

  4. How does Chase calculate the number of an applicant's new cards for purposes of the 5/24 rule?

  5. How does Chase calculate the relevant 24-month period? By calendar months? By exact days?

  6. Can I get around the 5/24 policy by closing cards I've opened in the past 24 months?

  7. Is there any way around the 5/24 policy (targeted mailers, pre-approvals, Chase Private Client status)?

  8. Can I apply for a specific Chase card and earn the bonus again after doing so previously?

  9. I'm an authorized user for a card issued to my spouse/parent. Does that prevent me from signing up for the same card and earning a bonus?

  10. I already have several Chase cards with a substantial aggregate line of credit. Will it improve my odds if I close an existing account (or lower its credit line) before applying for another?

  11. I wasn't auto-approved. Should I call in?

  12. How can I determine the deadline for meeting the spend requirement to earn the signup bonus?

  13. Once I meet the card's spend requirement, how soon will I receive my signup bonus points?

  14. Should I downgrade or cancel my existing cards before applying?

  15. Useful Chase telephone numbers

Does Chase have a limit on the number or frequency of applications like Citi's 8/65 rule?
Chase does not have a known limit. However, several reports (for example) indicate that Chase is highly sensitive to multiple applications within a short time period, and that the second (or subsequent) applications run a substantial risk of being denied. In many cases, this is likely related to Chase's practice of allocating a large credit line (up to an applicant's personal maximum) when approving a new card such as the first application in a series. (See also the discussion below concerning aggregate Chase credit lines.)

What's this I hear about Chase denying applications to people who have recently opened a lot of credit cards?
Starting in May 2015, Chase began denying applications for its own personal cards (e.g., Sapphire Preferred, Freedom, Slate & Freedom Unlimited) if the applicant's credit report shows that she or he opened 5 or more credit cards with any card issuer in the prior 24 months ("the 5/24 rule").

For a few days in early September 2016, Chase included explicit language ("You will not be approved for this card if you have opened 5 or more bank cards in the past 24 months") on the application page for the Sapphire Reserve card--and then promptly removed it. The absence of this language on landing/application pages for the CSR or any other Chase card is not a reliable indicator of whether the 5/24 policy applies.

See the next section for co-branded cards exempt from the 5/24 policy, and the later section discussing potential ways around 5/24.

Does the 5/24 rule apply to applications for all Chase cards?
Previously the rule did not apply to applications for the Ink Plus business card or to co-branded cards such as United, Hyatt, IHG, etc. However, on May 22, 2016 Chase extended its 5/24 rule to cover Ink business cards and some co-branded cards. (Note that there were premature reports that Chase Ink Plus would be made subject to the rule in March 2016 (which did not happen), and that all co-branded cards would follow in April 2016 (also did not happen).)

Although we had numerous reports of applications prior to May 22 being denied for a United/Hyatt/IHG/WN card by a CSR citing the 5/24 rule, the available evidence strongly suggested that those applicants had other serious issues--multiple Chase applications in a short period; large existing Chase credit line--and that overzealous CSRs gratuitously (and erroneously) invoked the 5/24 rule in the past as an additional supposed justification for the denial. Thus, it is difficult to separate such false positives from any change in Chase policy.

Instead, the most useful data points are those where an applicant is approved for a Chase card despite being over 5/24. Since May 22, 2016, we have such reports for these co-branded cards (in order from oldest to newest for each card):
For a longer list of cards apparently not subject to 5/24, check this link:
In November 2018, Chase seems to have possibly expanded 5/24 to more cards, possibly including some mentioned above. See this link:
Please follow discussion in the thread for current updates.

How does Chase calculate the number of an applicant's new cards for purposes of the 5/24 rule?
The 24-month count includes personal cards opened at other banks, and even cards on which the applicant is only an authorized user and not the primary cardholder. Chase has been extremely inflexible with this policy, with agents stating that there is nothing they can do to circumvent this restriction. However, in some cases Chase may reconsider a denial if the applicant has <5 new cards excluding cards on which s/he is an authorized user. You may need to escalate to the next level of customer service agent, as many front-line agents seem to be unable or unwilling to remove the authorized user accounts from the count.

Note:

How does Chase calculate the relevant 24-month period? By calendar months? By exact days?
In February 2017, a FTer reported a successful application a day or two after dropping from 5/24 to 4/24. However, because Chase sometimes approves applicants who are at 5/24 exactly (see above), this data point does not conclusively prove that Chase drops cards from its calculation on the exact 24-month anniversary of the previous bonus.

Can I get around the 5/24 policy by closing cards I've opened in the past 24 months?
No. Chase uses the information from your credit report, and closing an account doesn't make it disappear.

Is there any way around the 5/24 policy (targeted mailers, pre-approvals, Chase Private Client status)?
As to targeted mailers, we have insufficient anecdotal evidence to reach any reliable conclusions. (Reports suggesting no exemption from 5/24 here and here.)

There have been reports of people with more than 5 cards opened in the last 24 months being successful if they are already pre-approved for the card in question. To find out if you are pre-approved, you can call or go into a branch to ask. Success stories appear to be connected to Chase Private Client (CPC) status and the rollout of the Chase Sapphire Reserve card. In-branch pre-approvals (showing a green screen on the banker's computer) result in automatic approvals. Some (but not all) CPC clients had success in recon calls[[I]citation needed].

Can I apply for a specific Chase card and earn the bonus again after doing so previously?
It depends. A Chase card may be "churned" when an entirely new version becomes available. For example, business cards are distinct from personal/consumer cards. Note that simple variations among bonus offers do not amount to new versions/products for purposes of this rule.

Beginning in 2014, Chase began including explicit language in most of its offers, such as the following:
This new cardmember bonus offer is not available to either (i) current cardmembers of this consumer credit card, or (ii) previous cardmembers of this consumer credit card who received a new cardmember bonus for this consumer credit card within the last 24 months.
Effective August 2018, Chase imposed stringent additional restrictions on receiving the signup bonus for any version of the Sapphire card. See Sapphire (CSR & CSP) 48 months between bonuses, August 2018 and the master threads for each card (listed above) for details and discussion.

There are four key considerations in determining whether you can churn a given card:
  • The 5/24 policy discussed in detail above.
  • The 24-month bonus waiting period--in the case of Sapphire cards, the collective 48-month period--is measured not from the date of your previous application (or approval date, if different), but instead from the date you received the signup-related bonus on the previous card, which may be 3-4 months later than the approval date. The same rule applies regardless of the type of signup bonus received (points, miles, or free-night certs); anniversary benefits unrelated to spending requirements, such as annual IHG & Marriott certs, do not count as signup bonuses.
  • If you still have your old card of the same type, you're ineligible.
  • Chase's policy does not indicate whether there is also a minimum waiting period between cancellation and reapplication, and there is not yet sufficient anecdotal evidence from FTers to draw firm conclusions. At a minimum, a prudent churner will wait at least a week or two after cancellation before reapplying so that all of Chase's systems fully reflect that closure. (See first bullet point above.) At least one FTer has reported re-applying successfully 14 days after canceling the previous card.
Finally, note that if you reapply too soon, Chase may still issue you the new card. (This differs from some other card issuers, which may deny such applications outright.) In this case, Chase typically notifies you by letter within a month or two after approval that, as a previous cardholder, you will not receive the bonus a second time.

I'm an authorized user for a card issued to my spouse/parent. Does that prevent me from signing up for the same card and earning a bonus?
No. Being an additional user on someone else's account poses no bar to applying for that same card & bonus, except insofar as such cards may count toward the 5/24 rule (as discussed above).

I already have several Chase cards with a substantial aggregate line of credit. Will it improve my odds if I close an existing account (or lower its credit line) before applying for another?
Yes.

In the past, the conventional wisdom among FTers was that you were more likely to hurt your chances by closing an account or reducing CL unilaterally. However, substantial evidence from 2014 onward strongly indicates that Chase is increasingly likely to reject applications (or at least not auto-approve them) where an applicant has an existing total credit line that is high compared to his/her income & spending patterns. (For many members, the threshold appears to be in the $45K-60K range, but that is highly speculative.)

Recent reports suggest that closing accounts and/or voluntarily reducing credit lines increases the odds of auto-approval or in-branch pre-approval. (You can do either by calling or simply sending a secure message through your Chase online account. You do not need to provide a reason for the request.) For best results, keep at least $5K-10K in excess credit; if your application is not approved, you can always contact the reconsideration department and offer to reallocate that portion of your existing credit line. Note: despite allowing credit line to be moved between personal and business accounts in the past, Chase is no longer permitting such reallocation in either direction.

With respect to timing, it is better to reduce any CL as soon as you can conveniently do so, e.g., after meeting the bonus spend on a card you do not plan to use regularly thereafter. (Do not reduce CL on a given card if it would increase your "credit utiilization"--that is, the ratio of outstanding balance to CL--above ~30%. A high credit utilization number is a red flag for banks and can adversely affect your credit score.) Waiting until one's next application to lower a CL is less than optimal, as the reduced CL is not immediately recognized by all of Chase's systems.

There is no known minimum wait between lowering a CL and having the freed-up amount become available for purposes of a new application. A prudent applicant will, as recommended above, plan well in advance; failing that, an applicant would be wise to wait at least 24 hours between lowering a CL and applying for a new card.

I wasn't auto-approved. Should I call in?
It may be better to avoid calling Chase unless your application is denied. Many recent calls on pending applications led to denials, and many people report having success letting applications work their way through the system. Be patient. Time is on your side; increasingly, Chase CSRs are not.

If you do call, expect extensive and possibly hostile questioning. Be prepared to answer questions regarding the need for more credit, past credit apps for both Chase and other banks, income, business finances, etc. Know your CLs with Chase before you call so you know which card/s you are willing to decrease the CLs on. If the app is for a significant other who dislikes such calls, they can authorize you to speak on their behalf and hand the phone over to you.

How can I determine the deadline for meeting the spend requirement to earn the signup bonus?
Just send Chase a secure message (SM) through your online account. Although the deadline should in theory be N months from the date of approval (not the date of application or card activation)--where N is the number of months specified in the offer--Chase typically pads this period to account for the time required to fabricate and deliver physical cards. For example, a recent "3-month" deadline was in fact 114 days, as confirmed by Chase's SM confirmation.

Once I meet the card's spend requirement, how soon will I receive my signup bonus points?
Bonus points typically accrue at the close of the billing period in which you incur the corresponding charges. Points should appear in your hotel/airline account within a few days thereafter.

NOTE: If you complete your required spending in the last 7-10 days of the statement period, the bonus may not post until the following month's statement, even if the regular per-dollar points post on the first statement. This is normal behavior for Chase and is not worth a phone call.

Should I downgrade or cancel my existing cards before applying?
Useful Chase telephone numbers
(800) 432-3117 – General Application Status Line, automated
(800) 436-7927 – Alternative General Application Status Line, automated
(888) 609-7805 – Alternative Personal Reconsideration line with live rep
(888) 269-8690 - Business Credit Card Application Status Line, automated
(800) 453-9719 – Business Credit Card Reconsideration Line with live rep
(800) 955-9900 – General Card Services and Application status, automated
(888) 298-5623 – Credit Reallocation Office (Personal cards)
(800) 453-9719 – Credit Reallocation Office (Business cards)
(888) 622-7547 – Executive Offices
(877) 470-9042 – Personal Application Verification line with live rep
Twitter: @ChaseSupport
Note: In the past, automated telephone status reports stating that Chase would notify you in 2 weeks often resulted in an approval, whereas the "7-10 days" telephone recording often indicated imminent denial. In 2016, this pattern became increasingly unpredictable, with many applicants receiving approval despite an earlier "7-10 days" automated telephone message. As a result, automated telephone responses should not be regarded as reliable indicators of an application's likely outcome.
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Old Sep 19, 2018, 4:00 pm
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Originally Posted by blitzen


each replacement card has a new eco date > don’t worry it is all the same card for the banks
Thanks.

Just got him to apply the Chase Ink Cash after did a bit research on the web - the period to calculate 5/24 is by calendar month - i.e. it falls off from Chase system after the last day of the month the card would fall off. So if the oldest card in the 24 months period was opened on 8/26/16, it fell off on 8/31/18. 09/01/18 is the first day it would be 4/24.

Instant approval.

For DP, he has opened Ink Preferred in Jan, Marriott business in June. They were instant approvals as well. Between Jan and June he had opened a DL personal and a DL business on targeted offers, also a TD bank's cash reward card at 3x 2x / restaurant and grocery stores, 0% forex.
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Old Sep 20, 2018, 5:38 am
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Originally Posted by Happy
...did a bit research on the web - the period to calculate 5/24 is by calendar month - i.e. it falls off from Chase system after the last day of the month the card would fall off. So if the oldest card in the 24 months period was opened on 8/26/16, it fell off on 8/31/18. 09/01/18 is the first day it would be 4/24.
My research has indicated otherwise and I can personally debunk what you read. I dropped from 6/24 to 3/24 early last month. I was approved for Ink Preferred a few days later. Based on my research and personal experience, you can apply at 24 months + 1 day after the 5th card was opened.

Congrats on his approval!
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Old Sep 20, 2018, 9:53 am
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Originally Posted by pallhedge
My research has indicated otherwise and I can personally debunk what you read. I dropped from 6/24 to 3/24 early last month. I was approved for Ink Preferred a few days later. Based on my research and personal experience, you can apply at 24 months + 1 day after the 5th card was opened.

Congrats on his approval!
Thanks.

I honestly have no clue. The DPs I found were from DoC write up a while ago via a Google Search. But you were down to 3/24 so you have more room. Unless you have 3 cards dropped off on the same date...3

His eligible date has long passed anyway based on either DoC's DPs or the more "pushing the envelope" calculation, so I told him to go ahead. Key is to avoid a recon call which he would not do.

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Old Sep 20, 2018, 2:54 pm
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Originally Posted by Happy
Seeking information on how the period of 5/24 is calculated.

Specifically my husband's CSR was opened on 08/26/16. Does it mean it has fallen off the 5/24 count, given we are now on Sept 19th 2018?

We have downgraded his Barclay's A+ today to the No Fee version. The Barclays rep said a new account number and new card would be issued but the account would retain the old account's history including the opening date which was in 09/19/2017. However a friend just informed me that his downgraded Arrival card had a new Exp date, So it might mean a new trade line was opened. He was far above 5/24 so never paid much attention on it.

For us we would like to get my husband the Ink Cash, hence I am interested to find out how the 5/24 period is calculated. The info on the Wiki is very sketchy.

Thanks for insights.
5/24 is calculated by Chase by looking at your credit report and counting the bank cards on there with an "opened on" date in the past 24 months.

AU cards are not supposed to count but they often do, which you can only fix by calling recon.

You may want to buffer that timing by making sure that it's been 24 calendar months, but as far as whether a change to card counts or not, it all depends on how it shows up on your credit report. The card's expiration date has nothing to do with the "opened on" date on your credit report. The only question would come if you got a totally new account number; many (but not all) times that replaces the old account number on the credit report, so it's good to verify.

You can check your own credit report for free anytime at Check Your Credit Report & FICO® Score | Experian and Credit Karma. Experian lets you sort, open and closed cards separately, by "opened on" date, making it easier to figure out what was opened in the last 24 months than at CK. But Experian doesn't show you the exact day of the month that you opened the card, just the month and the year. But since you want to go by calendar months to be safe anyway, that shouldn't be a big worry, but in case you do want to know the exact day a particular card was opened, look up that card on CK.

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Old Sep 20, 2018, 5:32 pm
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TRYING TO GET SW COMPANION PASS

I am currently at 3/24. I got the CSP on August 15th of this year to put me at 3/24. Before deciding on SW pass, I was going to get one more chase card to be at 4/24 then do both personal and business on same day - which I understand would most likely work - correct?

Now I am trying to time things right to get max benefit of SW pass. So on 8/22/18 I got a chase personal card. Should I get the INK card now, thus starting the 90 day timeline (2 cards in 90 days with chase)? Then in 90 days I would get SW personal and business cards which would get me 100k miles and sometime hopefully jan or feb get the points and then spend some to get to 110....so my dilemma:

1. Don't risk not get 2 cards same day when applying at 4/24 - Just get both SW cards (a few weeks apart) starting 90 days after 8/22 (important that I get both SW cards can't risk not getting one). Also important to time so that the bonus posts as early as possible in 2019.

2. Risk it and get INK now, wait 90 days then apply for both SW cards same day. This gets me most CHASE cards as possible (I really want INK too) but risks that I don't get 1 of the 2 SW cards when applying at 4/24.

Thank you for your consideration.
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Old Sep 20, 2018, 5:36 pm
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5/24 is calculated by Chase by looking at your credit report and counting the bank cards on there with an "opened on" date in the past 24 months.

AU cards are not supposed to count but they often do, which you can only fix by calling recon.

You may want to buffer that timing by making sure that it's been 24 calendar months, but as far as whether a change to card counts or not, it all depends on how it shows up on your credit report. The card's expiration date has nothing to do with the "opened on" date on your credit report. The only question would come if you got a totally new account number; many (but not all) times that replaces the old account number on the credit report, so it's good to verify.

You can check your own credit report for free anytime at Check Your Credit Report & FICO ® Score Experian and Credit Karma. Experian lets you sort, open and closed cards separately, by "opened on" date, making it easier to figure out what was opened in the last 24 months than at CK. But Experian doesn't show you the exact day of the month that you opened the card, just the month and the year. But since you want to go by calendar months to be safe anyway, that shouldn't be a big worry, but in case you do want to know the exact day a particular card was opened, look up that card on CK.
Sheesh, I know what 5/24 is. The question is on how Chase calculates the time line. Your long write up does not even address the actual question.

FYI, Several DPs I found show that the FIRST of the 25TH month starts the clean period, but pallhedge own data point said that it only needs ONE extra day after the real anniversary, since you seem to totally miss what the question is all about, hence may not even know / pick up the DPs posted by me and pallhedge !

No need to check credit reports when one has kept good records on such things. In fact, if you just keep a folder in your email in box, you might already have all the information you need, assuming the banks send you the acknowledgement emails on each application / approval!

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Old Sep 20, 2018, 7:37 pm
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Originally Posted by Happy
But you were down to 3/24 so you have more room. Unless you have 3 cards dropped off on the same date...
I began August 2018 at 6/24. I had 2 cards drop off on August 9 and one more drop off on August 13. I applied for Ink Preferred on August 14 and was approved on August 16. The final caveat is that, for me, Chase pulled Experian only. Experian reports account open dates as MM/YYYY. No exact date. This means I could have applied on August 2 and passed the 5/24 test. Without the exact date, the Chase 5/24 algorithm assumes the first of the month.
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Old Sep 20, 2018, 8:49 pm
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Originally Posted by pallhedge
I began August 2018 at 6/24. I had 2 cards drop off on August 9 and one more drop off on August 13. I applied for Ink Preferred on August 14 and was approved on August 16. The final caveat is that, for me, Chase pulled Experian only. Experian reports account open dates as MM/YYYY. No exact date. This means I could have applied on August 2 and passed the 5/24 test. Without the exact date, the Chase 5/24 algorithm assumes the first of the month.
Chase always pulls both EX and EQ on us. It has been like that for several years. I never pay attention on how these reporting agencies report the accounts.
It is not until this year I realize that AMEX cards show up with completely different numbers that do not corresponding to the physical card numbers at all! I would not have realized that if not because Citi security dept told me they could not use AMEX cards to verify I am who I am, but can use either Visa or MC issued by other banks - that prompted me to look at the details of these reports for the first time, and found out the peculiar reporting on AMEX cards. I wonder why is that?

Ironically there are not any more 5/24 Chase cards left that interests us. I am not even sure should I keep my CIP gotten last Fall given I am keeping my 3 years old Ink Plus and 6 years old Ink Cash. Husband got his CIP in January also instant approval using my referral link. We will keep husband's CSR now Chase has killed the replacement with CSP. I dont have either now but with the ongoing Citi stuff and AMEX targeted offers, I would not be under 5/24 probably until 2020 or beyond!
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Old Sep 20, 2018, 9:11 pm
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Regarding sign-up bonus offers for Chase *Business* cards:

Background: I have a Corporation that recently signed up for a Chase Ink Business Preferred card, with the 80k UR bonus (after $5k spend in 3m). I am the only owner of the corp, and business profile at chase is tied to my personal chase profile. I have also just created another distinct corporation, and opened a chase checking account, also linked to my personal profile. When I login to chase.com, I have my personal accounts listed, as well as Corp #1 with the ink preferred card, and Corp #2 with the checking account.

If I want to apply for another ink preferred card under Corp #2 , can I get the 80k UR bonus a *second* time, or am I disqualified since both corporations are linked to my personal profile? Is each corp a distinct "cardmember" in the system and treated separately for purposes of credit card and account bonuses, or am I as an individual considered the cardmember?
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Old Sep 20, 2018, 9:56 pm
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Originally Posted by geoff325
TRYING TO GET SW COMPANION PASS

I am currently at 3/24. I got the CSP on August 15th of this year to put me at 3/24. Before deciding on SW pass, I was going to get one more chase card to be at 4/24 then do both personal and business on same day - which I understand would most likely work - correct?

Now I am trying to time things right to get max benefit of SW pass. So on 8/22/18 I got a chase personal card. Should I get the INK card now, thus starting the 90 day timeline (2 cards in 90 days with chase)? Then in 90 days I would get SW personal and business cards which would get me 100k miles and sometime hopefully jan or feb get the points and then spend some to get to 110....so my dilemma:

1. Don't risk not get 2 cards same day when applying at 4/24 - Just get both SW cards (a few weeks apart) starting 90 days after 8/22 (important that I get both SW cards can't risk not getting one). Also important to time so that the bonus posts as early as possible in 2019.

2. Risk it and get INK now, wait 90 days then apply for both SW cards same day. This gets me most CHASE cards as possible (I really want INK too) but risks that I don't get 1 of the 2 SW cards when applying at 4/24.

Thank you for your consideration.

Wait a second, chase INK wouldn't count towards 5/24, I just can't get it if over, right? So i can get chase INK now and still be at 3/24, then 90-95 days later get both the SW personal and business so I can get the SW pass as early in 2019 as possible right?
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Old Sep 21, 2018, 12:19 am
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Wait a second, chase INK wouldn't count towards 5/24, I just can't get it if over, right? So i can get chase INK now and still be at 3/24, then 90-95 days later get both the SW personal and business so I can get the SW pass as early in 2019 as possible right?
Yup, this may work if used judiciously.
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Old Sep 21, 2018, 5:47 am
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Originally Posted by guion
If I want to apply for another ink preferred card under Corp #2 , can I get the 80k UR bonus a *second* time, or am I disqualified since both corporations are linked to my personal profile?
Chase is unique in that you can get one CIP (and bonus) per Tax ID Number, so you're eligible.
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Old Sep 21, 2018, 1:19 pm
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Be careful when a Chase rep asks you, "How are the authorized user accounts paid?"

Let me explain. TSMRSRNE (3/24 individual; 6/24 including AUs) applied for the Freedom Unlimited card today. Got denied by the automated system. Called Reconsideration and as expected the rep cited too many cards open in the last 24 months. My wife pointed out many of those are AU cards. The rep than asked her "how are those AU cards paid?" My wife thought the rep meant are they in good standing. She replied, "They're paid off every month." Fine answer, right? Wrong. The rep said the AUs still counted and denied the reconsideration.

My wife then asked and was transferred to Escalation. That rep repeated the AU cards counted. When my wife asked why, he said my wife stated she made payments on them. He even got testy enough to point out she was recorded admitting it. My wife explained that she thought the question was about the AU cards' standing, not who paid them. He was skeptical and re-asked her the question. She said she paid her cards and I paid mine. He then went into a lengthy confirmation of her financial life before (Ta da!) approving her CFU account (after moving some CL around).

Took 41 minutes in toto.

RNE, saying, watch out how you answer that thorny question.
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Old Sep 21, 2018, 1:29 pm
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Question for the community.
I just opened a chase business checking account in person and the rep showed me I am pre-approved for several cards including CIP.
Will this pre-approval by-pass 5/24 restrictions? (I am waaay past that). The wiki seems ambiguous.
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Old Sep 21, 2018, 1:35 pm
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Originally Posted by pallhedge
Chase pulled Experian only. Experian reports account open dates as MM/YYYY. No exact date.
It depends on where you look.

Yes, on the Experian website, that's true, but if you go to the official Annual Credit Report website, there the Experian credit report shows the exact date. (But you can only get your credit report from each bureau there once a year, while you can get it anytime at the Experian website.)

But we have no idea what format Chase gets the Experian data, so we can't know for sure if they always get the exact date, never get the exact date, or sometimes do and sometimes don't get the exact date from Experian. (For example, does"instant" credit processing and "recon" credit processing get the report from Experian in the same format?)

So that's why it's safest to allow a full calendar 24 months, not just 365 x 2 days, so that no matter what format Chase gets your Experian data in at the time that they get it, you'll be OK.

Originally Posted by pallhedge
Without the exact date, the Chase 5/24 algorithm assumes the first of the month.
How in the world do you know that for sure? How do you know they don't ever do the exact opposite?
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