Jun 19, 2017, 9:34 pm
Last edit by: ernestnywang
oneworld Multi-Carrier Awards Wiki v0.1
Rules
1. You need two non CX/KA carriers
2. You are allowed 5 stopovers, 2 transits (<=24hrs) and 2 open jaws. You can use your stopover allowance as a transit, possibly by asking for it to be ticketed as such (extra taxes?). [Using stopover for transit is no longer possible since 2021/22?]
3. The open-jaw points do not count towards your stopover allowance. Neither does the final city on the itinerary
4. You must start and end in the same country.
5. To determine the miles required, add up all flight sectors on your itinerary and look up the award chart (ignore the distance between open-jaw points). gcmap.com is handy, though best to go via asiamiles' calculator.
6. Co-terminals (NRT/HND, LHR/LCY) do not count as an open-jaw (takes up 1 stopover/transit allowance).
If an itinerary clears the above, it is valid, though you may have to argue a lot back and forth. Keep your patience suit on and and keep referring to the terms & conditions ("What in the T&Cs makes this invalid" tends to work).
For the examples below, x=transit, o=stopover, and capitalized alphabets represent airports.
Some valid routings that have commonly been pushed back on
1. "You cannot go through the start, destination, or enroute point more than once". A-oB-oA-oC-oD-A is a valid itinerary.
2. "An open-jaw point is a stopover". A-oB-oC-D//E-oF-G//H-oI-oJ-A is valid, as is A-oB-xC-D//E-oF-G//H-xI-oJ-oK-oL-A.
Other tips
1. Tickets are valid for 1 year from the date of issuance. Potentially a pain when planning that dream RTW trip involving LATAM/AA which release seats 330 days out, that you're trying to tee-in with CX award seats released a year out.
2. A combination of BA/AA/LATAM/QF sites works well to research availability (look for saver availability)
3. You can go crazy on the routings- A-oB-A//C-oD-C//E-A is fine if A,B,E are in country/Region # 1, and, C,D are at the other end of the world.
Rules
1. You need two non CX/KA carriers
2. You are allowed 5 stopovers, 2 transits (<=24hrs) and 2 open jaws. You can use your stopover allowance as a transit, possibly by asking for it to be ticketed as such (extra taxes?). [Using stopover for transit is no longer possible since 2021/22?]
3. The open-jaw points do not count towards your stopover allowance. Neither does the final city on the itinerary
4. You must start and end in the same country.
5. To determine the miles required, add up all flight sectors on your itinerary and look up the award chart (ignore the distance between open-jaw points). gcmap.com is handy, though best to go via asiamiles' calculator.
6. Co-terminals (NRT/HND, LHR/LCY) do not count as an open-jaw (takes up 1 stopover/transit allowance).
If an itinerary clears the above, it is valid, though you may have to argue a lot back and forth. Keep your patience suit on and and keep referring to the terms & conditions ("What in the T&Cs makes this invalid" tends to work).
For the examples below, x=transit, o=stopover, and capitalized alphabets represent airports.
Some valid routings that have commonly been pushed back on
1. "You cannot go through the start, destination, or enroute point more than once". A-oB-oA-oC-oD-A is a valid itinerary.
2. "An open-jaw point is a stopover". A-oB-oC-D//E-oF-G//H-oI-oJ-A is valid, as is A-oB-xC-D//E-oF-G//H-xI-oJ-oK-oL-A.
Other tips
1. Tickets are valid for 1 year from the date of issuance. Potentially a pain when planning that dream RTW trip involving LATAM/AA which release seats 330 days out, that you're trying to tee-in with CX award seats released a year out.
2. A combination of BA/AA/LATAM/QF sites works well to research availability (look for saver availability)
3. You can go crazy on the routings- A-oB-A//C-oD-C//E-A is fine if A,B,E are in country/Region # 1, and, C,D are at the other end of the world.
oneworld Multi-Carrier Awards - sharing ideas
Feb 7, 2017, 9:58 pm
#362
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: LAX
Posts: 20
Wondering if anyone know whether this hypothetical routing is considered valid:
JFK-NRT JL
NRT-HKG CX
HKG-SGN CX
LHR-JFK AA (open jaw?)
I don't need a return flight from SGN since already have a return flight booked from there. I do need tack on something to make it a round-trip flight. Is the open jaw restricted to a region? If not, would the last leg be enough to make this a valid routing?
JFK-NRT JL
NRT-HKG CX
HKG-SGN CX
LHR-JFK AA (open jaw?)
I don't need a return flight from SGN since already have a return flight booked from there. I do need tack on something to make it a round-trip flight. Is the open jaw restricted to a region? If not, would the last leg be enough to make this a valid routing?
Last edited by awardace; Feb 7, 2017 at 10:23 pm
Feb 7, 2017, 10:31 pm
#363
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: AUH
Posts: 8,267
Wondering if anyone know whether this hypothetical routing is considered valid:
JFK-NRT JL
NRT-HKG CX
HKG-SGN CX
LHR-JFK AA (open jaw?)
I don't need a return flight from SGN since already have a return flight booked from there. I do need tack on something to make it a round-trip flight. Is the open jaw restricted to a region? If not, would the last leg be enough to make this a valid routing?
JFK-NRT JL
NRT-HKG CX
HKG-SGN CX
LHR-JFK AA (open jaw?)
I don't need a return flight from SGN since already have a return flight booked from there. I do need tack on something to make it a round-trip flight. Is the open jaw restricted to a region? If not, would the last leg be enough to make this a valid routing?
Feb 9, 2017, 7:02 pm
#364
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: LAX
Posts: 20
Having trouble finding seats on JFK-NRT in business, but see BOS-NRT has a couple seats open. LGA-BOS is only available in economy—could I swing a mixed cabin LGA-BOS-NRT as one leg of the award?
Feb 9, 2017, 9:40 pm
#365
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: AUH
Posts: 8,267
Called in to price, you are correct! Another question: are mixed cabin awards possible on multi-carrier awards?
Having trouble finding seats on JFK-NRT in business, but see BOS-NRT has a couple seats open. LGA-BOS is only available in economy—could I swing a mixed cabin LGA-BOS-NRT as one leg of the award?
Having trouble finding seats on JFK-NRT in business, but see BOS-NRT has a couple seats open. LGA-BOS is only available in economy—could I swing a mixed cabin LGA-BOS-NRT as one leg of the award?
May 25, 2017, 6:28 pm
#367
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: AU
Programs: former Olympic Airways Gold (yeah - still proud of that!)
Posts: 14,406
Hi all and apologies in advance as I'm totally unfamiliar with AM redemptions. I did a bit of searching but don't have a clear answer...
Friend of mine is trying to book a multi carrier AM award for 190k (35000 miles band). Availability is almost non existent for travel in June. They managed to find an itinerary, but AM is invalidating because they say that stopovers must be stopovers... ie more than 24 hours.. you can't use one of your five stopovers as a transfer/transit.
I read some old guides to AM that say you can use a stopover as a transit/transfer. Which seems to make sense.
Is AM correct? Or can you use a stopover as transit? (I think the ticket in total wants 4 transitcities and 3 stops)
Thanks in advance.
Friend of mine is trying to book a multi carrier AM award for 190k (35000 miles band). Availability is almost non existent for travel in June. They managed to find an itinerary, but AM is invalidating because they say that stopovers must be stopovers... ie more than 24 hours.. you can't use one of your five stopovers as a transfer/transit.
I read some old guides to AM that say you can use a stopover as a transit/transfer. Which seems to make sense.
Is AM correct? Or can you use a stopover as transit? (I think the ticket in total wants 4 transitcities and 3 stops)
Thanks in advance.
May 25, 2017, 6:33 pm
#368
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Australia
Programs: SPG Gold, CX MPC Gold, Hilton Hhonors Gold
Posts: 234
Hi all and apologies in advance as I'm totally unfamiliar with AM redemptions. I did a bit of searching but don't have a clear answer...
Friend of mine is trying to book a multi carrier AM award for 190k (35000 miles band). Availability is almost non existent for travel in June. They managed to find an itinerary, but AM is invalidating because they say that stopovers must be stopovers... ie more than 24 hours.. you can't use one of your five stopovers as a transfer/transit.
I read some old guides to AM that say you can use a stopover as a transit/transfer. Which seems to make sense.
Is AM correct? Or can you use a stopover as transit? (I think the ticket in total wants 4 transitcities and 3 stops)
Thanks in advance.
Friend of mine is trying to book a multi carrier AM award for 190k (35000 miles band). Availability is almost non existent for travel in June. They managed to find an itinerary, but AM is invalidating because they say that stopovers must be stopovers... ie more than 24 hours.. you can't use one of your five stopovers as a transfer/transit.
I read some old guides to AM that say you can use a stopover as a transit/transfer. Which seems to make sense.
Is AM correct? Or can you use a stopover as transit? (I think the ticket in total wants 4 transitcities and 3 stops)
Thanks in advance.
Suggest that your friend hangs up and try calling again, the agents are different and some are more willing to help than others.
May 25, 2017, 8:19 pm
#370
Original Poster
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Hong Kong
Programs: CX Diamond / SQ Gold / Bonvoy Platinum / Hyatt Globalist / Hilton Gold
Posts: 1,098
Correct - you can use a stopover as a transit. It might affect the calculation of taxes etc. but it's definitely allowed.
May 26, 2017, 6:36 am
#372
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: HK
Posts: 103
Want to add a +1 here. I successfully redeemed an award with four transits after three calls to AM Cantonese hotline last month.
As Psychiatrist and jagmeets said, you need to specifically tell the agent which transit(s) should be ticketed as stopover(s). Just insist this is legimate and ask him to input into the system. The "fake-stopover" may introduce extra departure tax/surcharge so you better pick the country/airport charge less.
As Psychiatrist and jagmeets said, you need to specifically tell the agent which transit(s) should be ticketed as stopover(s). Just insist this is legimate and ask him to input into the system. The "fake-stopover" may introduce extra departure tax/surcharge so you better pick the country/airport charge less.
May 26, 2017, 7:00 am
#374
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: NYC/SIN
Programs: CX DM, SQ KF
Posts: 2,171
Want to add a +1 here. I successfully redeemed an award with four transits after three calls to AM Cantonese hotline last month.
As Psychiatrist and jagmeets said, you need to specifically tell the agent which transit(s) should be ticketed as stopover(s). Just insist this is legimate and ask him to input into the system. The "fake-stopover" may introduce extra departure tax/surcharge so you better pick the country/airport charge less.
As Psychiatrist and jagmeets said, you need to specifically tell the agent which transit(s) should be ticketed as stopover(s). Just insist this is legimate and ask him to input into the system. The "fake-stopover" may introduce extra departure tax/surcharge so you better pick the country/airport charge less.