Award and upgrade from different inventory
#1
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Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: OR
Posts: 1,633
Did some random search on CX.com and notice that some flights have J upgrade inventory (in U class) available but no J class award seat on that same flight.
Can I conclude that they come from different inventory?
Can I conclude that they come from different inventory?
#2
Join Date: Nov 2006
Programs: MPC,CA,MU,AF
Posts: 8,171
When you said award seat, I suppose you meant full redemption instead of upgrade. They are both U. I always think they are from the same inventory, but may have different priorities for waitlist. Anyway, as you probably know, CX.com is not always accurate.
#4




Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Hong Kong / Singapore / Bangkok
Programs: SQ Krisflyer Gold / Hilton Hhonour Diamond / Starwood SPG Gold / CX Former Gold, now Green
Posts: 347
1) Companion award
2) Upgrade redemption
3) Full ticket redemption
#5
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my recent (a month ago) experience with this different bucket issue was reported in post #3 here:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=698042
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=698042
#6



Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: San Francisco
Posts: 2,962
Is there a master thread somewhere listing the fare codes for all 3 classes (F, J, Y), and the various fare buckets (revenue by descending order, full redemption, upgrade award, companion award).
Based on my search, I see that economy is: YBHKMLV (soon YBHK are only upgradable fare)...
For business, revenue is JCDI. Redemption is U (full, upgrade or companion award)...
Based on my search, I see that economy is: YBHKMLV (soon YBHK are only upgradable fare)...
For business, revenue is JCDI. Redemption is U (full, upgrade or companion award)...
#7
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Hong Kong
Programs: No longer Diamond and missing the good old days of CX
Posts: 1,521
Is there a master thread somewhere listing the fare codes for all 3 classes (F, J, Y), and the various fare buckets (revenue by descending order, full redemption, upgrade award, companion award).
Based on my search, I see that economy is: YBHKMLV (soon YBHK are only upgradable fare)...
For business, revenue is JCDI. Redemption is U (full, upgrade or companion award)...
Based on my search, I see that economy is: YBHKMLV (soon YBHK are only upgradable fare)...
For business, revenue is JCDI. Redemption is U (full, upgrade or companion award)...
Business: J, C, D, I
Economy: Y, B, H, K, M, L, V, S, N, Q, O
Awards (regardless of how it's redeemed, i.e. companion, upgrade, full redemption have the same fare codes)
First: Z
Business: U
Economy: T
But like others have said, I have noticed that even though companion, award and full redemptions come from the same booking class, I have experienced circumstances in which upgrade Z was available but full redemption Z was not.
#8



Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: San Francisco
Posts: 2,962
First: F, A
Business: J, C, D, I
Economy: Y, B, H, K, M, L, V, S, N, Q, O
Awards (regardless of how it's redeemed, i.e. companion, upgrade, full redemption have the same fare codes)
First: Z
Business: U
Economy: T
But like others have said, I have noticed that even though companion, award and full redemptions come from the same booking class, I have experienced circumstances in which upgrade Z was available but full redemption Z was not.
Business: J, C, D, I
Economy: Y, B, H, K, M, L, V, S, N, Q, O
Awards (regardless of how it's redeemed, i.e. companion, upgrade, full redemption have the same fare codes)
First: Z
Business: U
Economy: T
But like others have said, I have noticed that even though companion, award and full redemptions come from the same booking class, I have experienced circumstances in which upgrade Z was available but full redemption Z was not.
A related question: does there a listing/website showing the above information for all (or other major) airlines?
Also, I understand that seatcounter.com shows seat inventory by fare codes, but I believe it only has revenue fare codes and not redemption fare codes. Is there a similar tool showing inventory by redemption fare codes?
#9
Join Date: Jun 2004
Programs: CX Marco Polo
Posts: 45
Ok so my suggestion is this: Call up and waitlist the flight as a Companion award (and if neccessary, book a companion seat as well in anyone else's name). No need to issue, just book.
As your given highest priority, once you have your U class seat confirmed, cancel the companion booked seat, and tell them to intend to issue it as either an upgrade redemption or a full ticket redemption. This is your right how you finally issue your ticket, once you have the U class seat you can issue it anyhow you want to.
To increase your chance of getting a confirmed seat, ask any diamond card member friend of yours to book their seat in J class and you the companion (with diamond priority of course). I recon you do this, and if there is any award seat available, you'll be the first to get it!
#10
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Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 992
Ok so my suggestion is this: Call up and waitlist the flight as a Companion award (and if neccessary, book a companion seat as well in anyone else's name). No need to issue, just book.
As your given highest priority, once you have your U class seat confirmed, cancel the companion booked seat, and tell them to intend to issue it as either an upgrade redemption or a full ticket redemption. This is your right how you finally issue your ticket, once you have the U class seat you can issue it anyhow you want to.
To increase your chance of getting a confirmed seat, ask any diamond card member friend of yours to book their seat in J class and you the companion (with diamond priority of course). I recon you do this, and if there is any award seat available, you'll be the first to get it!
As your given highest priority, once you have your U class seat confirmed, cancel the companion booked seat, and tell them to intend to issue it as either an upgrade redemption or a full ticket redemption. This is your right how you finally issue your ticket, once you have the U class seat you can issue it anyhow you want to.
To increase your chance of getting a confirmed seat, ask any diamond card member friend of yours to book their seat in J class and you the companion (with diamond priority of course). I recon you do this, and if there is any award seat available, you'll be the first to get it!
#11
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and, from my experience, it doesn't sound like my companion gets diamond priority, at least not automatically.
#12
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Hong Kong
Programs: No longer Diamond and missing the good old days of CX
Posts: 1,521
Ok so my suggestion is this: Call up and waitlist the flight as a Companion award (and if neccessary, book a companion seat as well in anyone else's name). No need to issue, just book.
As your given highest priority, once you have your U class seat confirmed, cancel the companion booked seat, and tell them to intend to issue it as either an upgrade redemption or a full ticket redemption. This is your right how you finally issue your ticket, once you have the U class seat you can issue it anyhow you want to.
As your given highest priority, once you have your U class seat confirmed, cancel the companion booked seat, and tell them to intend to issue it as either an upgrade redemption or a full ticket redemption. This is your right how you finally issue your ticket, once you have the U class seat you can issue it anyhow you want to.
how sure we are with this ? at least this is definitely not what the MPO agents said to me every time I booked a companion ticket. they always make sure I understand it very well that I'm sure I want a companion award (double/triple asked a few times), because they said these have different availabilities as normal full award and even if I get confirmed on a companion award, if in the end I want a full award instead, I need to check availability for full award at that point. but, that said, I haven't tried this though, changing from companion to full award in the end...
#13
Join Date: Nov 2006
Programs: MPC,CA,MU,AF
Posts: 8,171
However, having status will help in rebooking the upgrade though, if the member is the traveler.
#14
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Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 992
I am not 100% sure for Companion, for in my experience before I just asked the agent to book me an U or Z class and they never asked me whether is it for redemption or upgrade. When the deadline comes I just call them can either issue the redemption ticket or give them my ticket number for the upgrade.



