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Old Jul 6, 2007 | 8:28 am
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Did some random search on CX.com and notice that some flights have J upgrade inventory (in U class) available but no J class award seat on that same flight.
Can I conclude that they come from different inventory?
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Old Jul 6, 2007 | 9:31 am
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When you said award seat, I suppose you meant full redemption instead of upgrade. They are both U. I always think they are from the same inventory, but may have different priorities for waitlist. Anyway, as you probably know, CX.com is not always accurate.
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Old Jul 6, 2007 | 5:54 pm
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I've seen instances when CX.com was showing a J->F upgrade (Z) on a particular flight, but no F reward ticket. Presumably they're "different" Z buckets.
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Old Jul 6, 2007 | 6:16 pm
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Originally Posted by neuro0
Did some random search on CX.com and notice that some flights have J upgrade inventory (in U class) available but no J class award seat on that same flight.
Can I conclude that they come from different inventory?
I think I have seen somewhere that the priority is as follow, although all in U class:
1) Companion award
2) Upgrade redemption
3) Full ticket redemption
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Old Jul 7, 2007 | 4:35 am
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my recent (a month ago) experience with this different bucket issue was reported in post #3 here:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=698042
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Old Jul 10, 2007 | 3:25 am
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Is there a master thread somewhere listing the fare codes for all 3 classes (F, J, Y), and the various fare buckets (revenue by descending order, full redemption, upgrade award, companion award).

Based on my search, I see that economy is: YBHKMLV (soon YBHK are only upgradable fare)...

For business, revenue is JCDI. Redemption is U (full, upgrade or companion award)...
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Old Jul 10, 2007 | 11:40 am
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Originally Posted by sfvoyage
Is there a master thread somewhere listing the fare codes for all 3 classes (F, J, Y), and the various fare buckets (revenue by descending order, full redemption, upgrade award, companion award).

Based on my search, I see that economy is: YBHKMLV (soon YBHK are only upgradable fare)...

For business, revenue is JCDI. Redemption is U (full, upgrade or companion award)...
First: F, A
Business: J, C, D, I
Economy: Y, B, H, K, M, L, V, S, N, Q, O

Awards (regardless of how it's redeemed, i.e. companion, upgrade, full redemption have the same fare codes)
First: Z
Business: U
Economy: T

But like others have said, I have noticed that even though companion, award and full redemptions come from the same booking class, I have experienced circumstances in which upgrade Z was available but full redemption Z was not.
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Old Jul 10, 2007 | 7:49 pm
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Originally Posted by kchika
First: F, A
Business: J, C, D, I
Economy: Y, B, H, K, M, L, V, S, N, Q, O

Awards (regardless of how it's redeemed, i.e. companion, upgrade, full redemption have the same fare codes)
First: Z
Business: U
Economy: T

But like others have said, I have noticed that even though companion, award and full redemptions come from the same booking class, I have experienced circumstances in which upgrade Z was available but full redemption Z was not.
Thanks, kchika, this is great.

A related question: does there a listing/website showing the above information for all (or other major) airlines?

Also, I understand that seatcounter.com shows seat inventory by fare codes, but I believe it only has revenue fare codes and not redemption fare codes. Is there a similar tool showing inventory by redemption fare codes?
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Old Jul 18, 2007 | 4:32 pm
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Originally Posted by CX100Silver
I think I have seen somewhere that the priority is as follow, although all in U class:
1) Companion award
2) Upgrade redemption
3) Full ticket redemption

Ok so my suggestion is this: Call up and waitlist the flight as a Companion award (and if neccessary, book a companion seat as well in anyone else's name). No need to issue, just book.

As your given highest priority, once you have your U class seat confirmed, cancel the companion booked seat, and tell them to intend to issue it as either an upgrade redemption or a full ticket redemption. This is your right how you finally issue your ticket, once you have the U class seat you can issue it anyhow you want to.

To increase your chance of getting a confirmed seat, ask any diamond card member friend of yours to book their seat in J class and you the companion (with diamond priority of course). I recon you do this, and if there is any award seat available, you'll be the first to get it!
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Old Jul 18, 2007 | 5:16 pm
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Originally Posted by Globalman
Ok so my suggestion is this: Call up and waitlist the flight as a Companion award (and if neccessary, book a companion seat as well in anyone else's name). No need to issue, just book.

As your given highest priority, once you have your U class seat confirmed, cancel the companion booked seat, and tell them to intend to issue it as either an upgrade redemption or a full ticket redemption. This is your right how you finally issue your ticket, once you have the U class seat you can issue it anyhow you want to.

To increase your chance of getting a confirmed seat, ask any diamond card member friend of yours to book their seat in J class and you the companion (with diamond priority of course). I recon you do this, and if there is any award seat available, you'll be the first to get it!
Companion does NOT get the same priority as the member. I have doubled checked this already.
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Old Jul 18, 2007 | 5:49 pm
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Originally Posted by Globalman
This is your right how you finally issue your ticket, once you have the U class seat you can issue it anyhow you want to.
how sure we are with this ? at least this is definitely not what the MPO agents said to me every time I booked a companion ticket. they always make sure I understand it very well that I'm sure I want a companion award (double/triple asked a few times), because they said these have different availabilities as normal full award and even if I get confirmed on a companion award, if in the end I want a full award instead, I need to check availability for full award at that point. but, that said, I haven't tried this though, changing from companion to full award in the end...

and, from my experience, it doesn't sound like my companion gets diamond priority, at least not automatically.
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Old Jul 18, 2007 | 6:58 pm
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Originally Posted by Globalman
Ok so my suggestion is this: Call up and waitlist the flight as a Companion award (and if neccessary, book a companion seat as well in anyone else's name). No need to issue, just book.

As your given highest priority, once you have your U class seat confirmed, cancel the companion booked seat, and tell them to intend to issue it as either an upgrade redemption or a full ticket redemption. This is your right how you finally issue your ticket, once you have the U class seat you can issue it anyhow you want to.
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how sure we are with this ? at least this is definitely not what the MPO agents said to me every time I booked a companion ticket. they always make sure I understand it very well that I'm sure I want a companion award (double/triple asked a few times), because they said these have different availabilities as normal full award and even if I get confirmed on a companion award, if in the end I want a full award instead, I need to check availability for full award at that point. but, that said, I haven't tried this though, changing from companion to full award in the end...
tedhl is coreect. I have once changed a full redemption to an upgrade and the CSO has to ask her supervisor to check whether or not that was possible. :-:
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Old Jul 19, 2007 | 8:04 am
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Originally Posted by kchika
tedhl is coreect. I have once changed a full redemption to an upgrade and the CSO has to ask her supervisor to check whether or not that was possible. :-:
It should not be possible in general. It is equivalent to cancelling a full redemption and rebook an upgrade. I asked that once and could not be done.

However, having status will help in rebooking the upgrade though, if the member is the traveler.
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Old Jul 19, 2007 | 8:47 am
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Originally Posted by cxfan1960
It should not be possible in general. It is equivalent to cancelling a full redemption and rebook an upgrade. I asked that once and could not be done.

However, having status will help in rebooking the upgrade though, if the member is the traveler.
I am not 100% sure for Companion, for in my experience before I just asked the agent to book me an U or Z class and they never asked me whether is it for redemption or upgrade. When the deadline comes I just call them can either issue the redemption ticket or give them my ticket number for the upgrade.
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Old Jul 19, 2007 | 10:59 am
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I agree on redemption/upgrade - they all seem to come from the same bucket as far as I'm concerned: I've switched backwards and forwards on a few occasions.
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