Which CX Flight is the most Profitable???
Which CX Flight is the most Profitable???
Jul 26, 2006 | 7:36 pm
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Why do you think HKG-YVR is the most profitable? Because the YVR based crew cost less? It certainly couldn't be from the fares -- lots of heavy discounting out of YVR.
Anyone who knows cannot reply on this thread, as the info is a trade secret. Cargo probably makes the difference between routes for profitability. My own guess is that HKG-SFO is more profitable due to the cargo into/out of Silicon Valley.
Anyone who knows cannot reply on this thread, as the info is a trade secret. Cargo probably makes the difference between routes for profitability. My own guess is that HKG-SFO is more profitable due to the cargo into/out of Silicon Valley.
Jul 26, 2006 | 9:20 pm
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I can't imagine HKG-YVR being among the most profitable as one of the two daily frequencies is a 2-class A340 with no F, the other frequency is a 747 that splits premium-cabin sales with the NYC market, and a lot of CX coach tix are sold at discounts through Vancouver bucket shops to the Asian community.
I would guess HKG-SFO, HKG-NRT, perhaps HKG-SIN/BKK/TPE where they can hit businesspeople hard for short turnaround riding in the front cabins.
I would guess HKG-SFO, HKG-NRT, perhaps HKG-SIN/BKK/TPE where they can hit businesspeople hard for short turnaround riding in the front cabins.
Jul 26, 2006 | 11:00 pm
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Thought it was HKG - TPE as well given the high frequency and large number of passengers. Everyone who wants to go between the two countries have to transit through HK or Macau and it's been a great, steady business for years. Remember reading some research to say CX stand to lose a lot of its profits if direct flights between China and Taiwan is allowed.
Jul 27, 2006 | 9:30 am
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Originally Posted by BearX220
I can't imagine HKG-YVR being among the most profitable as one of the two daily frequencies is a 2-class A340 with no F, the other frequency is a 747 that splits premium-cabin sales with the NYC market, and a lot of CX coach tix are sold at discounts through Vancouver bucket shops to the Asian community.
They discount out of Australia and the UK too (you just need to know where to look). You can get F from LHR to SYD for only about GBP 4200 from certain agents in LHR.
The only places where they probably don't discount is ex-HKG and ex-USA (at least the premium cabins).
Jul 27, 2006 | 9:36 am
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Everyone is listing routes, while the question asks for flights. Assuming that we're talking about routes, I would have to imagine that LAX-HKG is up there too. It's currently a monopoly route, is 3x daily and possibly going 4x, and its loaded to the gills with cargo and lots of J/F passengers.
Jul 27, 2006 | 8:38 pm
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One would have to add to this question;
---Most profitable route per pax!--- This because a route might be the most profitable, but if you have to fly it 10x a day, it also brings lots of cost.
My reason for suggesting NRT was that it only gets 4 flights a day and it is quite a short flight. Fares in HKG and Japan are quite high.
---Most profitable route per pax!--- This because a route might be the most profitable, but if you have to fly it 10x a day, it also brings lots of cost.
My reason for suggesting NRT was that it only gets 4 flights a day and it is quite a short flight. Fares in HKG and Japan are quite high.
Jul 27, 2006 | 9:27 pm
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Originally Posted by cstead
Assuming that we're talking about routes, I would have to imagine that LAX-HKG is up there too. It's currently a monopoly route, is 3x daily and possibly going 4x, and its loaded to the gills with cargo and lots of J/F passengers.
I still stand by my belief that increasing LAX to 3x daily is one of the dumbest move and they are suffering for it when one looks at the loads of the 3rd flight.
Last edited by Rejuvenated; Jul 27, 2006 at 9:36 pm
Jul 28, 2006 | 7:28 am
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I was also surprised when CX announced 3X daily for HKG-LAX but I guess there maybe pressure from other OW members like AA and LA. Of course I could be wrong.
For the most profitable route I also think it's HKG-TPE. I have travelled frequently on this route and to me it's just like bus service - packed for most of the flights and it runs every hour (or less). Plus, cabin crew have to do several turn-arounds.
For the most profitable route I also think it's HKG-TPE. I have travelled frequently on this route and to me it's just like bus service - packed for most of the flights and it runs every hour (or less). Plus, cabin crew have to do several turn-arounds.
Jul 28, 2006 | 10:41 am
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HKG-TPE-HKG would be one of the most profitable.
HKG-BKK/SIN would be operating at a loss due to the competition of the low cost carriers of which CX has had to match its fares to them.
HKG-BKK/SIN would be operating at a loss due to the competition of the low cost carriers of which CX has had to match its fares to them.
Jul 28, 2006 | 11:03 am
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I've been told that CX is quite happy to have a light pax load on the 3rd flight as it allows overbooking on the more popular flight times plus provides cargo lift -- and the cargo more than covers the cost of operating the flight. Maybe when they buy more freighters the cargo value will be less, but for now it seems to be a smart arrangement and not a dumb move at all. Just goes to show that running an airline requires a lot of calculations.