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lsquare Jul 14, 2023 3:00 am

Trip.com and Cathay Fare Codes?
 
Has anyone here used Trip.com to book CX fares? Is this a reliable company? I notice that it's generally cheaper than booking direct from CX. However, I don't see any fare codes. I want to know what my accrual rate will be when credited to my BAEC account. Advice?

brunos Jul 14, 2023 4:19 am

You don't even see it if you book direct from CX. Only after you booked.

lsquare Jul 14, 2023 4:30 am


Originally Posted by brunos (Post 35412318)
You don't even see it if you book direct from CX. Only after you booked.

Have you ever used Trip.com before? Do all CX fares credit to BAEC?

Nicc HK Jul 14, 2023 5:08 am


Originally Posted by lsquare (Post 35412332)
Have you ever used Trip.com before? Do all CX fares credit to BAEC?

On Trip.com when booking there is a frequent flyer programme box which lists all the options to credit for each airline and then a second box to enter the number just before clicking to pay.

So when booking a CX ticket you get all the reciprical programmes listed. So far I have never had a problem though as one poster notes above you do not get to see which fare class. If booking lowest price I just assume the lowest fare class, if you book more expensive tickets then it is likely higher fare buckets. I do not know if this works but it is an idea, perhaps correlate the baggage allowance with the CX category and how flexible the tickets are.

lsquare Jul 14, 2023 5:12 am


Originally Posted by Nicc HK (Post 35412373)
On Trip.com when booking there is a frequent flyer programme box which lists all the options to credit for each airline and then a second box to enter the number just before clicking to pay.

So when booking a CX ticket you get all the reciprical programmes listed. So far I have never had a problem though as one poster notes above you do not get to see which fare class. If booking lowest price I just assume the lowest fare class, if you book more expensive tickets then it is likely higher fare buckets. I do not know if this works but it is an idea, perhaps correlate the baggage allowance with the CX category and how flexible the tickets are.

Are there any CX fare codes that earn nothing on BAEC? If not, then I might give Trip.com a chance because I know I'll earn something for the flight.

After booking on Trip.com, will I be able to see the fare code on CX's website?

HarbourGent Jul 14, 2023 5:15 am

It has been some years now since I used it, but in the past I found Trip's telephone support helpful. If the booking class is not visible, if you call them I expect they will help.

lsquare Jul 14, 2023 5:26 am


Originally Posted by HarbourGent (Post 35412384)
It has been some years now since I used it, but in the past I found Trip's telephone support helpful. If the booking class is not visible, if you call them I expect they will help.

Where is their call center located?

The _Banking_Scot Jul 14, 2023 5:29 am

Hi

i think fare code P on cathay Pacific earns nothing on BAEC
there is a thread on the baec forum as P is more expensive than I ( both are business class fares) yet earns nothing on BAEC ( but the cheaper I class fare does)

Regards

Tbs

lsquare Jul 14, 2023 5:30 am


Originally Posted by The _Banking_Scot (Post 35412421)
Hi

i think fare code P on cathay Pacific earns nothing on BAEC
there is a thread on the baec forum as P is more expensive than I ( both are business class fares) yet earns nothing on BAEC ( but the cheaper I class fare does)

Regards

Tbs

What's the reason for that? Seems strange that P earns nothing.

What about economy?

Nicc HK Jul 14, 2023 5:43 am


Originally Posted by lsquare (Post 35412413)
Where is their call center located?

They have several call centres, I know one which I have spoken to is in the UK usually late afternoon HK time

For which fare classes earn points and how much it is all on the CX and Asia Miles websites

The _Banking_Scot Jul 14, 2023 6:21 am


Originally Posted by lsquare (Post 35412425)
What's the reason for that? Seems strange that P earns nothing.

What about economy?


Hi,

Discussion on this thread

P class earning on Cathay Pacific - Page 8 - FlyerTalk Forums


For economy class

K L M N Q S V will earn 25% avios when credited to BAEC
Y B H will earn 100% avios

Collecting Avios and Tier Points on flights | Executive Club | British Airways

Regards

TBS

lsquare Jul 14, 2023 6:46 am


Originally Posted by Nicc HK (Post 35412444)
They have several call centres, I know one which I have spoken to is in the UK usually late afternoon HK time

For which fare classes earn points and how much it is all on the CX and Asia Miles websites


Originally Posted by The _Banking_Scot (Post 35412518)
Hi,

Discussion on this thread

P class earning on Cathay Pacific - Page 8 - FlyerTalk Forums


For economy class

K L M N Q S V will earn 25% avios when credited to BAEC
Y B H will earn 100% avios

Collecting Avios and Tier Points on flights | Executive Club | British Airways

Regards

TBS

I know BA's website shows what the accrual rate is for the fare classes, but does it list them all? P-fare isn't listed and now I know it's 0. So are there any other fare codes not listed on BAEC, that we know will earn zero besides P-fares?

l380 Jul 14, 2023 8:53 am

Unrelated to TRIP.com

Does anyone know if economy light gets booked into fare class O?

I am trying to see the flight availability on expertflyer for HKG-YYZ in September 2023. Most days show this J9 C9 D7 P0 I0 W9 R5 E0 Y9 B9 H9 K0 M0 L0 V0 S0 N0 Q0 O2

Does that mean there is not much economy class availability left? Or is CX just blocking cheaper fare class / redemption availability?

audio-nut Jul 14, 2023 12:24 pm

I can’t fathom why anyone would use an OTA, especially one the likes of Trip.com

ernestnywang Jul 14, 2023 1:48 pm


Originally Posted by lsquare (Post 35412425)
What's the reason for that? Seems strange that P earns nothing.

P class was introduced a couple of years ago. I guess CX simply forgot to tell BA about it, and the system was never updated to reflect that.


Originally Posted by lsquare (Post 35412560)
I know BA's website shows what the accrual rate is for the fare classes, but does it list them all? P-fare isn't listed and now I know it's 0. So are there any other fare codes not listed on BAEC, that we know will earn zero besides P-fares?

Economy-O class is not listed, and obviously the award redemption booking classes.


Originally Posted by l380 (Post 35412875)
Does anyone know if economy light gets booked into fare class O?

Economy light may be booked in any fare classes. CX fare family is independent of fare class. Each fare class has different fare levels depending on how much extra you want to pay.

hyh1004 Jul 14, 2023 2:17 pm

I think trip.com will book you a dicount seat. The tickets on CX website usually give you more flexibility.

I never had issues with trip.com.

IluvSQ Jul 14, 2023 2:51 pm


Originally Posted by audio-nut (Post 35413457)
I can’t fathom why anyone would use an OTA, especially one the likes of Trip.com

I've used Trip.com ( formerly Ctrip.com) many times to book trips within China - both air and rail.
I have also used them for multi-stop trips that involve 1 internal China leg followed by China-Asia leg.
I have found them to be cheaper than airline websites, especially on First/business class fares.
There are also no hassles when using foreign credit cards.
I have recently also used their website to research other Asian itineraries, although I did not end up booking through them.

moondog Jul 14, 2023 3:10 pm


Originally Posted by audio-nut (Post 35413457)
I can’t fathom why anyone would use an OTA, especially one the likes of Trip.com

Well, let's see
  • To save money
  • To have a more reliable point of contact than airlines or hotels (they typically don't make you wait on hold for hours)
  • To use foreign plastic for services that don't accept credit cards when booked directly
  • To get a broader view on flight/hotel options
That's all that comes to mind off the top of my head.

lsquare Jul 14, 2023 3:15 pm


Originally Posted by ernestnywang (Post 35413681)
P class was introduced a couple of years ago. I guess CX simply forgot to tell BA about it, and the system was never updated to reflect that.



Economy-O class is not listed, and obviously the award redemption booking classes.


Economy light may be booked in any fare classes. CX fare family is independent of fare class. Each fare class has different fare levels depending on how much extra you want to pay.

Thank you! That's what I'm looking for. What are the odds I'll end up with an O-fare if buy economy?

ernestnywang Jul 14, 2023 3:36 pm


Originally Posted by lsquare (Post 35413890)
Thank you! That's what I'm looking for. What are the odds I'll end up with an O-fare if buy economy?

CX rarely markets O class fare, but never say never. Use https://matrix.itasoftware.com/search to cross-check the booking class if you have a matching fare.

travelinmanS Jul 14, 2023 7:40 pm


Originally Posted by lsquare (Post 35413890)
Thank you! That's what I'm looking for. What are the odds I'll end up with an O-fare if buy economy?

CX is horrible if trying to earn miles in other programs and flying economy because of the relatively few Econ fares that credit to BA,AS,AA etc. If earning miles on Econ fares is your game in Asia then fly NH and credit to UA or fly MU/KE and credit to DL. One World in Asia is no good for crediting economy fares. JL, CX and MH all don’t credit most buckets.

lsquare Jul 14, 2023 7:41 pm


Originally Posted by travelinmanS (Post 35414404)
CX is horrible if trying to earn miles in other programs and flying economy because of the relatively few Econ fares that credit to BA,AS,AA etc. If earning miles on Econ fares is your game in Asia then fly NH and credit to UA or fly MU/KE and credit to DL. One World in Asia is no good for crediting economy fares. JL, CX and MH all don’t credit most buckets.

I know, but that's not my point. I rather get something than nothing. I never like leaving miles on the table.

stcbus Jul 14, 2023 9:13 pm

After using them to book a spirit flight I would never again as I question their security.

I booked a spirit fare and got the number and added it to spirit’s website. I then subscribed to flight notifications. However, I started getting texts about checking in, seat upgrades, and my flight leaving soon. I was very confused. I learned it was because they all were using the same weird email trip.com fills in and so I inadvertently had access to all of the reservations in spirit’s side.

moondog Jul 14, 2023 9:18 pm


Originally Posted by stcbus (Post 35414562)
After using them to book a spirit flight I would never again as I question their security.

I booked a spirit fare and got the number and added it to spirit’s website. I then subscribed to flight notifications. However, I started getting texts about checking in, seat upgrades, and my flight leaving soon. I was very confused. I learned it was because they all were using the same weird email trip.com fills in and so I inadvertently had access to all of the reservations in spirit’s side.

Why did you use a Chinese OTA to book a Spirit flight?

stcbus Jul 14, 2023 9:23 pm


Originally Posted by moondog (Post 35414567)
Why did you use a Chinese OTA to book a Spirit flight?

Idk I found the cheapest price from google flights and that’s what they linked to.

Cambo Jul 14, 2023 9:46 pm


Originally Posted by lsquare (Post 35412425)
What's the reason for that? Seems strange that P earns nothing.

What about economy?

Early Covid, a new booking class P got introduced.

CX should have informed other airlines: "Hey, we've got a new business class booking class and it should be treated as I".

Though that seems not to have been done towards BA, or the alternative, BA and CX do have an agreement in place, which BA isn't happy about and does not want to honor the additional P class, without updating the contract for their benefit.

moondog Jul 14, 2023 9:53 pm


Originally Posted by stcbus (Post 35414577)
Idk I found the cheapest price from google flights and that’s what they linked to.

They are useful in Asia (especially China and places Chinese people like) because they have quite a bit of clout, but this doesn't really carry over into other markets, apart from famous hotels.

I flew Spirit twice this year (and survived). In both cases, I booked on their website. I thought about using Expedia (which, I like) instead for the same price, but I guessed that having them as a POC wouldn't add much, if any, value.

When I fly MU or CX, by contrast, I almost always use ctrip because having them in the middle saves time and generates better results than me communicating directly with MU or CX.

AmD950 Jul 14, 2023 11:03 pm

years ago I used ctrip and bought a business ticket with a 20% discount price from what i can see on cx
later on i was told it is a reward redemption ticket

after the incident, i don't use it anymore for ticketing anymore

lsquare Jul 14, 2023 11:27 pm


Originally Posted by AmD950 (Post 35414694)
years ago I used ctrip and bought a business ticket with a 20% discount price from what i can see on cx
later on i was told it is a reward redemption ticket

after the incident, i don't use it anymore for ticketing anymore

Is that legal?

percysmith Jul 15, 2023 12:28 am


Originally Posted by lsquare (Post 35414724)
Is that legal?

Which law?

moondog Jul 15, 2023 12:30 am


Originally Posted by lsquare (Post 35414724)
Is that legal?

I've never heard of any laws pertaining to resale of redemption tickets, but most airline loyalty programs prohibit the practice. I'm surprised ctrip did/does that because they are a pretty big company now.

brunos Jul 15, 2023 2:27 am

Three comments:
1. Many airlines do not credit credit miles on their own FFP for the cheapest fares of partners.
CX P fares have been around for a few years and BAEC is, of course, well aware of it and decided not to credit any avios rather than the 125% for a bit more expensive biz fares. SAme for O, zero avios rather than 25% for slightly more expensive fares.

2. T&Cs of all airlines prohibit dales a miles/redemption tickets. Trip.com is a major OTA, it will never risk a retaliation from a major airlines by selling redemption tickets from someone else. Maybe that happened decades ago.

3. Using a major OTA (like trip.com) can work fine as long as you don't need to change the ticket/flight. But in case of flight cancellation or voluntary flight change, it can be a major hassle.

lsquare Jul 15, 2023 2:35 am


Originally Posted by brunos (Post 35414929)
Three comments:
1. Many airlines do not credit credit miles on their own FFP for the cheapest fares of partners.
CX P fares have been around for a few years and BAEC is, of course, well aware of it and decided not to credit any avios rather than the 125% for a bit more expensive biz fares. SAme for O, zero avios rather than 25% for slightly more expensive fares.

2. T&Cs of all airlines prohibit dales a miles/redemption tickets. Trip.com is a major OTA, it will never risk a retaliation from a major airlines by selling redemption tickets from someone else. Maybe that happened decades ago.3. Using a major OTA (like trip.com) can work fine as long as you don't need to change the ticket/flight. But in case of flight cancellation or voluntary flight change, it can be a major hassle.

I can speak from experience and agree.

I'm not redeeming points or paying cash for J on TYO-HKG. It's too short. Having said that, it would be nice not to get either P or O-fares going forward. I like to get something rather than nothing.

Does Trip.com have a free 24-hour cancelation policy? This could be an easy way to figure out the fare code before committing.

moondog Jul 15, 2023 2:57 am


Originally Posted by lsquare (Post 35414943)
Does Trip.com have a free 24-hour cancelation policy? This could be an easy way to figure out the fare code before committing.

For the most part, they adhere to the airline's policies and are rather transparent about this. Priceline is the only OTA I know of that offers its own guarantee (there might be others).

AegeanGold Jul 15, 2023 4:17 am

I had tried to book with Trip.com last 2years and 99% has been failed with the booking when you come to the payment. I only manage to book 1 ticket for my partner travelling from Vietnam to Thailand.

Once I change to Go To Gate, Expedia or Vayama any of those sited then the booking confirmed and issue ticket with no problem, of course the fare was 10 to 20 euro higher on those site.

Trip.com just lure you to their page and waste a lot of your time. Even the amount that Trip.com wanted was on hold in my Revolute account and after 30min the amount was returned, so I find it strange they said the payment didnt went through.

As far I know is only Expedia show booking class in their system.

lsquare Jul 15, 2023 4:19 am


Originally Posted by AegeanGold (Post 35415074)
I had tried to book with Trip.com last 2years and 99% has been failed with the booking when you come to the payment. I only manage to book 1 ticket for my partner travelling from Vietnam to Thailand.

Once I change to Go To Gate, Expedia or Vayama any of those sited then the booking confirmed and issue ticket with no problem, of course the fare was 10 to 20 euro higher on those site.

Trip.com just lure you to their page and waste a lot of your time. Even the amount that Trip.com wanted was on hold in my Revolute account and after 30min the amount was returned, so I find it strange they said the payment didnt went through.

As far I know is only Expedia show booking class in their system.

Expedia does make it very easy. That is true!

ernestnywang Jul 15, 2023 10:34 am


Originally Posted by travelinmanS (Post 35414404)
CX is horrible if trying to earn miles in other programs and flying economy because of the relatively few Econ fares that credit to BA,AS,AA etc.

What you said is incorrect. This is only the case with crediting CX flights to AA. This is not the case with BA (O class being the only exception within Y cabin, but until recently CX members don't earn anything on O class, either), and certainly not AS (all classes can be credited).

Originally Posted by brunos (Post 35414929)
1. Many airlines do not credit credit miles on their own FFP for the cheapest fares of partners.
CX P fares have been around for a few years and BAEC is, of course, well aware of it and decided not to credit any avios rather than the 125% for a bit more expensive biz fares. SAme for O, zero avios rather than 25% for slightly more expensive fares.

Are you sure this is intentional? P class is above I class (the sequence is JCDPI), but I class still earns the normal rate with BAEC. I would say this is an oversight, or else I class should also earn nothing.

tentseller Jul 15, 2023 9:47 pm


Originally Posted by l380 (Post 35412875)
Unrelated to TRIP.com

Does anyone know if economy light gets booked into fare class O?

I am trying to see the flight availability on expertflyer for HKG-YYZ in September 2023. Most days show this J9 C9 D7 P0 I0 W9 R5 E0 Y9 B9 H9 K0 M0 L0 V0 S0 N0 Q0 O2

Does that mean there is not much economy class availability left? Or is CX just blocking cheaper fare class / redemption availability?

No redemption on 825 and 829 until next year at least.

​​​​​They are selling out ticket in Y north of $3500 as AC will not run 015/016 due to Canadian airline not able to fly over Russia
​​​​

l380 Jul 18, 2023 8:03 am


Originally Posted by tentseller (Post 35416864)
No redemption on 825 and 829 until next year at least.

​​​​​They are selling out ticket in Y north of $3500 as AC will not run 015/016 due to Canadian airline not able to fly over Russia
​​​​

Does anyone know how to book the O fare class that I see on expertflyer?

J9 C9 D7 P0 I0 W9 R5 E0 Y9 B9 H9 K0 M0 L0 V0 S0 N0 Q0 O2

ernestnywang Jul 20, 2023 4:17 am


Originally Posted by l380 (Post 35423552)
Does anyone know how to book the O fare class that I see on expertflyer?

J9 C9 D7 P0 I0 W9 R5 E0 Y9 B9 H9 K0 M0 L0 V0 S0 N0 Q0 O2

If there is no O fare for your itinerary, you cannot get an O ticket even if you have O availability


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