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lsquare Aug 7, 2023 5:36 pm

So what are the remaining sweet spots?

moondog Aug 7, 2023 8:30 pm


Originally Posted by lsquare (Post 35479110)
So what are the remaining sweet spots?

Short monopoly routes, perhaps.

lsquare Aug 7, 2023 8:31 pm


Originally Posted by moondog (Post 35479427)
Short monopoly routes, perhaps.

Such as?

Holiday.with.Ken Aug 9, 2023 8:53 pm

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...e35541c7c1.png
Does anyone know what this means? or simply a glitch?

Under the date it looks like there is availabilities but upon selecting the date, it has no flights. This seems to happens quiet often across all routes and dates.

percysmith Aug 10, 2023 1:10 am

Glitch

kamchatsky Aug 11, 2023 5:53 am

I need to transfer my 540K Citibank AU points to either 216K CX or SQ (or even QR) points next month. I need to make some decisions.

Even with the devaluation in Oct, it is 58K CX miles vs 71.5KSQ miles for SYD-HKG route one way. So the point economics looks good. But how stingy is CX these days for J awards for their members? I am looking at 4 * J award on (mainly) SYD-HKG route for my family in the future. Happy to travel via other Australian cities and book domestic separately if needed. If not available now, what is the chance of CX providing more award spaces in the future?

Previously I could do it on SQ regularly, and even redeemed 4 * SQ between AU-SIN-Europe and back last year. But now it is very difficult to do so and most are straight to their Advantage award rate which is even more expensive (eg 90K SQ miles for SQ J SYD-SIN-HKG one-way).

I did check with QF, BA as well but it looks like CX has most inventory for their own members these days.

carrotjuice Aug 11, 2023 6:17 pm

You should transfer points to whichever program that gives you the highest possibility of redemption for the route that you want.

Also CX and SQ FFPs are not "equivalent" so be careful about the supposed economics. CX requires fewer miles yes, but slaps you with higher airline charges, whereas SQ charges only airport taxes on top of the redemption ticket.

kamchatsky Aug 11, 2023 8:06 pm


Originally Posted by carrotjuice (Post 35490414)
You should transfer points to whichever program that gives you the highest possibility of redemption for the route that you want.

Also CX and SQ FFPs are not "equivalent" so be careful about the supposed economics. CX requires fewer miles yes, but slaps you with higher airline charges, whereas SQ charges only airport taxes on top of the redemption ticket.

Yes I noticed that CX fees and charges are higher. I just don't know how available are CX J awards these days. It looks like they don't really release them much these days? Pre-covid I could see up to 4 J awards on some SYD-hkg flights.

abielp Sep 30, 2023 10:33 am

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...d9f16a8b69.png

Any idea why MNL-NRT J redemption on JL is being priced at 74,000 asiamiles? Theres no 74k miles on the published new chart so is this a bug?

jaytw Sep 30, 2023 11:07 am


Originally Posted by abielp (Post 35625246)
Any idea why MNL-NRT J redemption on JL is being priced at 74,000 asiamiles? Theres no 74k miles on the published new chart so is this a bug?

The published chart is for CX flights only. For mixed carrier awards (this is specifically a single partner or CX + one partner, NOT the oneworld multicarrier award) there has never been a published chart. The flight award chart page has this to say for partner awards:

Visit our Redeem flight awards page to see how many miles you’ll need for your next trip, including mixed-carrier awards (Cathay Pacific plus one airline partner) or find out what awards can be redeemed with our airline partners below.

jaytw Sep 30, 2023 1:34 pm

No good news at all on the partner award front. While the new standard award chart at least gave us some price reductions at the long haul economy end, there are zero reductions for the partner chart. I guess the only saving grace is that the few special routes like TSA-HND, PVG-HND, etc. that used to have non-standard pricing still retain their special pricing on par with the regular CX chart.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...40539d0a78.png
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...b98c0e6466.png

percysmith Sep 30, 2023 4:52 pm


Originally Posted by jaytw (Post 35625629)
No good news at all on the partner award front. While the new standard award chart at least gave us some price reductions at the long haul economy end, there are zero reductions for the partner chart. I guess the only saving grace is that the few special routes like TSA-HND, PVG-HND, etc. that used to have non-standard pricing still retain their special pricing on par with the regular CX chart.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...40539d0a78.png
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...b98c0e6466.png

Thanks for figuring this out. I can’t like the message, but please accept my thanks for figuring it out.

I’m surprised Cathay uses one table for all partners. I always thought each partner is priced differently (akin to Avios).

abielp Sep 30, 2023 5:32 pm


Originally Posted by jaytw (Post 35625336)
The published chart is for CX flights only. For mixed carrier awards (this is specifically a single partner or CX + one partner, NOT the oneworld multicarrier award) there has never been a published chart. The flight award chart page has this to say for partner awards:

Thank you for pointing out. I always thought that they use the oneworld multicarrier award since they had the same miles needed before the devaluation (atleast for the MNL-TYO route)

ecgz88 Sep 30, 2023 11:11 pm

So basically there's no sweet spot now, Asia miles kills all value in the last 3 years (stopover policy and devaluation)

carrotjuice Oct 1, 2023 12:27 am


Originally Posted by carrotjuice (Post 35391975)
So much for CX "being confident" and making available more redemptions. All awards to Europe (LHR, CDG, etc.) in J and F seem to have been zerorised through January to June 2024?


Originally Posted by l380 (Post 35392058)
Perhaps they are holding them out till October 2023 when the inflated awards kick in... What a strategy.

Indeed, most of the European routes I was targeting had been zeroed out up to yesterday (although by fluke I managed to snag two seats for Jun 2024 shortly before the devaluation started, most likely cancelled bookings from other passengers).

Out of curiosity, I went in today to check for some of the other European routes and dates that I was eyeing - voila! - many more dates now have availability albeit at the new inflated price. Very poor faith by CX.


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