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beamerbenzbentli Jul 6, 2023 5:04 pm

Not like I could find any CX awards on AS anyways lol

entflight Jul 6, 2023 6:32 pm

Talked to Cathy call center and they said HK to Thailand falls into the same redemption group as Tokyo under the new redemption chart.

JULY 8 CORRECTION - this morning I saw on another website that Thailand is grouped with Singapore, Malaysia and not Japan under the new redemption chart that will take effect in Oct 2023, so I called Cathy call center again to reconfirm. Another staff confirmed that Thailand is in the Short-Type 1 category and not the Type 2 category which Japan is in. So the other staff (July 7) gave me incorrect information. Sorry for posting the earlier incorrect info,

pochi Jul 6, 2023 7:02 pm


Originally Posted by moondog (Post 35390910)
Surely that situation will change after October. I have it on good faith that the reason for this devaluation is to make it easy for valued members to redeem the flights they care most about.

Hope so. Right now even DM had a really hard time redeeming tickets (even for TPE)...

conde Jul 6, 2023 7:03 pm


Originally Posted by entflight (Post 35392338)
Talked to Cathy call center and they said HK to Thailand falls into the same redemption group as Tokyo under the new redemption chart.

That doesn't make sense. The new standard award chart is showing KL and Singapore in "Short-Type 1, 751-2,750 miles". BKK is closer than KL or Singapore to HKG. Tokyo is in "Short-Type 2, 751-2,750 miles." My brain hurts trying to think like the decision-makers at CX. It could be true, but let's see how these itineraries price after October.

entflight Jul 6, 2023 7:11 pm

Deleting earlier reply due to incorrect info,

carrotjuice Jul 6, 2023 8:22 pm


Originally Posted by l380 (Post 35392058)
Perhaps they are holding them out till October 2023 when the inflated awards kick in... What a strategy.

Yup, extremely sneaky. Up to a week ago, there were still sporadic availabilities to Europe in J and F. I suppose in anticipation of the "devaluation announcement", they zerorised all availabilities and "may" (uncertain) reinstate post October. In which case, their so-called 4 month "notice" is pointless... it's effectively without notice.

How would you trust such a company again?!

oldchinahand Jul 6, 2023 8:52 pm

Its 5 years since the chart was 'adjusted' and during that period many airlines have increased the number of points required for reward tickets some by as much as 60%. Some of the latest are United, (May) BA , Iberia, Air Lingus, Qantas.
Since the pandemic airfares have increased significantly and thus it follows so will the real cost of reward travel.
As was noted above long-haul flights in economy to most of the most sought after destinations have in fact reduced by 10% and on many routes around Asia points required are unchanged while others have increased requirement.
No one likes to pay more but this was ,after 5 years reasonable and bound to happen I believe.

Microtat Jul 6, 2023 9:33 pm

No doubt the increase in miles required, CX is still not the worse in the region to be fair. Of course i do not like to pay more but it’s just how much value you perceive cx vs other airlines.

i think CX may be right to say that more seats available as that may be due to people having lesser miles for such purposes, or will move beyond.

fakecd Jul 6, 2023 11:47 pm

well to be honest with post covid CX econ fare to popular asia destination being an outright rape, i think econ is where value is for redemption. we need to start thinking creatively.

if i was purchasing J i aint giving my money to this prick of an airline, so many quality alternatives. Not to mention i want certainty to fly not to play the U fare gamble. But for quick weekend run, if indeed Y redemption availability gets better i think its ok

oldchinahand Jul 7, 2023 12:57 am


Originally Posted by fakecd (Post 35392785)
well to be honest with post covid CX econ fare to popular asia destination being an outright rape, i think econ is where value is for redemption. we need to start thinking creatively.

if i was purchasing J i aint giving my money to this prick of an airline, so many quality alternatives. Not to mention i want certainty to fly not to play the U fare gamble. But for quick weekend run, if indeed Y redemption availability gets better i think its ok

'outright rape ! is rather OTT as is 'this prick of an airline' .
Personally I believe that your comments are out of place here in the context of your post and I am wondering why you post on a Cathay forum

It also seems clear that market forces do not greatly resonate with you as like it or not fares on all major airlines are at the moment higher than they were as are points needed for reward flights on many

ultrawin Jul 7, 2023 1:12 am

It really kills the PEY upgrade to J for long hual flights after this.

brunos Jul 7, 2023 6:14 am


Originally Posted by oldchinahand (Post 35392556)
Its 5 years since the chart was 'adjusted' and during that period many airlines have increased the number of points required for reward tickets some by as much as 60%. Some of the latest are United, (May) BA , Iberia, Air Lingus, Qantas.
Since the pandemic airfares have increased significantly and thus it follows so will the real cost of reward travel.
As was noted above long-haul flights in economy to most of the most sought after destinations have in fact reduced by 10% and on many routes around Asia points required are unchanged while others have increased requirement.
No one likes to pay more but this was ,after 5 years reasonable and bound to happen I believe.

I agree with you on all the points you raise. Most airlines periodically devalue their miles every 5 years or so, some more than CX.

Just a caveat for new miles earned. As long as CX grants miles based on distance rather than money paid, the new miles are much more expensive to earn given fares increase.
Of course, that does not apply to past miles or those earned on credit cards.

aaronshang1998 Jul 7, 2023 12:50 pm


Originally Posted by pogonation (Post 35391428)
It won't affect aeroplan

That sounds ok, don’t have many Asia miles either way

entflight Jul 7, 2023 6:15 pm


Originally Posted by conde (Post 35392388)
That doesn't make sense. The new standard award chart is showing KL and Singapore in "Short-Type 1, 751-2,750 miles". BKK is closer than KL or Singapore to HKG. Tokyo is in "Short-Type 2, 751-2,750 miles." My brain hurts trying to think like the decision-makers at CX. It could be true, but let's see how these itineraries price after October.

Checked with Cathy call center again this morning. Thailand is in Short-Type 1 under the new redemption chart, Sorry for the earlier incorrect info. They gave me incorrect info yesterday.

CX HK Jul 8, 2023 9:49 am


Originally Posted by brunos (Post 35393175)
Just a caveat for new miles earned. As long as CX grants miles based on distance rather than money paid, the new miles are much more expensive to earn given fares increase.
Of course, that does not apply to past miles or those earned on credit cards.

There are so many ways of earning Asia Miles these days the proportion of miles earned from actually flying is probably at an all time low.


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