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SW7London Feb 12, 2023 12:00 pm


Originally Posted by starvelk (Post 35005228)
Will CX ever fly to RMQ with their A321neos? I know that the 2 ex-KA slots are probably given to UO instead of CX (same as some TPE, KHH and SIN slots), but I would try to avoid UO as much as possible

Also, did KA ever fly to CNX pre-covid? The route is now only flown by UO but I'm not sure whether KA did fly it in the past

Anyways, interesting to see CX passing some short haul slots to UO for them to takeover KA/some original CX flights

KA indeed used to have a daily flight to CNX - sometimes using a A330 in the peak season.

Hoping it comes back sooner rather than later!

SuperEWR Feb 13, 2023 12:17 am

Does anyone know if Cathay intends to resume its Taipei fifth freedom routes?

moondog Feb 13, 2023 1:08 am


Originally Posted by SuperEWR (Post 35007218)
Does anyone know if Cathay intends to resume its Taipei fifth freedom routes?

How could doing so possibly be in its best interests?

oldchinahand Feb 13, 2023 1:12 am

As I understand the position the three fifth freedom flights ex Taipai are suspended not cancelled -this for 2 reasons:
Continuing broad restrictions imposed by the Taiwan government are at the moment preventing the flights
They are low on Cathays light recovery priority and unlikely to operate again until late in the year. It is expected the the existing Taiwan retractions will be rescinded by then.

oldchinahand Feb 13, 2023 1:15 am

HKG - JNB will resume on August 3.
Three times a week using the A350

SuperEWR Feb 13, 2023 1:20 am


Originally Posted by moondog (Post 35007279)
How could doing so possibly be in its best interests?

Presumably they were making good money on those routes, that's why they chose to fly them in the first place? They had ICN/NRT/NGO/KIX all out of TPE, why would they have flown to all those places out of TPE if they weren't making money on them? The only route they "have to" fly out of TPE is HKG... Plus, if HKG as a hub and as an O&D destination is impaired due to the mainland's various policies, flights that have nothing to do with HKG ought to be even more valuable to the airline than pre-pandemic.


Originally Posted by oldchinahand (Post 35007287)
As I understand the position the three fifth freedom flights ex Taipai are suspended not cancelled -this for 2 reasons:
Continuing broad restrictions imposed by the Taiwan government are at the moment preventing the flights
They are low on Cathays light recovery priority and unlikely to operate again until late in the year. It is expected the the existing Taiwan retractions will be rescinded by then.

Ah that's helpful to know, I didn't know that the government was preventing those flights

starvelk Feb 13, 2023 4:03 am


KA indeed used to have a daily flight to CNX - sometimes using a A330 in the peak season.
Wow! Nice to hear that it did so well in the past. I think the UO flight existed before CX bought them anyways so I don't think UO actually took CX's slot to fly to CNX.
Hopefully it'll get an A321neo by CX!


​​​​​​​Does anyone know if Cathay intends to resume its Taipei fifth freedom routes?
The flights used to be extremely popular (for some reason), we actually had a hard time trying to book the ones that continued on to HKG from TPE due to the high load (that was 2019). The Taiwanese also seem to like the other leg from Japan/Incheon to TPE as well.
I think the main issue is once again Taiwanese entrance requirements (which should be relaxed soon) and the Japanese restricting flights to HKG. Given that CX has to cancel some of its direct traffic to Japan, I don't think we will see fifth freedom routes until much later in the year.

SuperEWR Feb 13, 2023 4:57 pm


Originally Posted by starvelk (Post 35007467)
Wow! Nice to hear that it did so well in the past. I think the UO flight existed before CX bought them anyways so I don't think UO actually took CX's slot to fly to CNX.
Hopefully it'll get an A321neo by CX!


The flights used to be extremely popular (for some reason), we actually had a hard time trying to book the ones that continued on to HKG from TPE due to the high load (that was 2019). The Taiwanese also seem to like the other leg from Japan/Incheon to TPE as well.
I think the main issue is once again Taiwanese entrance requirements (which should be relaxed soon) and the Japanese restricting flights to HKG. Given that CX has to cancel some of its direct traffic to Japan, I don't think we will see fifth freedom routes until much later in the year.

I don't think it's that surprising, there's a lot of demand for Taiwan-Japan travel (both leisure and business) and Cathay is a great carrier (as are the local full-service carriers), so there's plenty of O&D traffic to sustain the route. Plus, depending on specific passengers' travel needs, CX may have been perfectly suited for them to be loyal to. As a Taipei-based traveler, CX was covering all the most popular North Asia business destinations excluding mainland China (the 4 busiest destinations from TPE in 2019 were HKG, HND / NRT, KIX, and ICN), and if you want to go to Europe, other than a handful of direct flights by BR/CI (some of which routed through BKK anyways), CX has a wider network. Obviously not ideal if your travels include a lot of North America, Southeast Asia or mainland China, but there's plenty of Taipei-based travelers for whom CX would work (and I believe they only had a handful of frequencies so it's not as difficult to fill up the plane with the limited number of travelers for whom CX appeals to).

allset2travel Feb 13, 2023 5:43 pm


Originally Posted by oldchinahand (Post 35007291)
HKG - JNB will resume on August 3.
Three times a week using the A350

Good to hear that.

A350 will be better than the previous 77W in J cabin.

starvelk Feb 13, 2023 8:15 pm


I don't think it's that surprising, there's a lot of demand for Taiwan-Japan travel (both leisure and business) and Cathay is a great carrier (as are the local full-service carriers), so there's plenty of O&D traffic to sustain the route. Plus, depending on specific passengers' travel needs, CX may have been perfectly suited for them to be loyal to. As a Taipei-based traveler, CX was covering all the most popular North Asia business destinations excluding mainland China (the 4 busiest destinations from TPE in 2019 were HKG, HND / NRT, KIX, and ICN), and if you want to go to Europe, other than a handful of direct flights by BR/CI (some of which routed through BKK anyways), CX has a wider network. Obviously not ideal if your travels include a lot of North America, Southeast Asia or mainland China, but there's plenty of Taipei-based travelers for whom CX would work (and I believe they only had a handful of frequencies so it's not as difficult to fill up the plane with the limited number of travelers for whom CX appeals to).
​​​​​​​I agree since I've seen a lot of Taiwanese take CX and use it for transits etc., usually to Europe/S.E. Asia but I fear that with the introduction of Starlux, there may be less transiting passengers going through CX

SuperEWR Feb 14, 2023 12:47 pm


Originally Posted by starvelk (Post 35009627)
I agree since I've seen a lot of Taiwanese take CX and use it for transits etc., usually to Europe/S.E. Asia but I fear that with the introduction of Starlux, there may be less transiting passengers going through CX

Fair enough, Starlux has the Japan point-to-point routes covered (no Nagoya or Haneda, but they do have Fukuoka, Naha and Sapporo), but no ICN, HKG (perhaps not yet relevant) or Europe 1-stops. I'd think that on the Japan routes, there's enough room in the market for CX to add a flight to each destination they used to fly to and for S.E. Asia, both BR and CI had pretty extensive non-stops networks to the region, so I'd think where CX used to fit in the market hasn't quite been overtaken by Starlux just yet

marcolau317 Feb 15, 2023 12:14 am

I noticed CX are still adjusting schedules for flights to EU for the next few months, notably flights to MAD no longer operates on Thu or Sat from July onwards, but Wed and Fri instead.
If I had already booked a flight for late-Sep, when can I expect to receive a notification of cancellation? Booking via BA with Avios means I need to get that cancellation notification from CX before I can call BA to request rerouting using their policies.

sklo Feb 15, 2023 12:21 am


Originally Posted by marcolau317 (Post 35012612)
I noticed CX are still adjusting schedules for flights to EU for the next few months, notably flights to MAD no longer operates on Thu or Sat from July onwards, but Wed and Fri instead.
If I had already booked a flight for late-Sep, when can I expect to receive a notification of cancellation? Booking via BA with Avios means I need to get that cancellation notification from CX before I can call BA to request rerouting using their policies.

I too am in a similar situation with a HKG to EU flight in Sep. I can no longer find my flight on google or CX website. Really hope my flight isn't cancelled

Philipp Morgenstern Feb 15, 2023 3:39 am

When do you think there will a direct flight resumed between Hong Kong and Moscow?. I doubt Aeroflot will be coming back without EU transit pax, but Hainan, CZ (From Shenzhen) and CA have resumed flights to Moscow, I think Pre covid there was up to 2 daily MU (Shanghai, Xi'an) and 2 daily CZ (Shenzhen, Guangzhou and Wuhan) flights to Moscow in the warmer months.

pochi Feb 15, 2023 5:03 am


Originally Posted by Philipp Morgenstern (Post 35012839)
When do you think there will a direct flight resumed between Hong Kong and Moscow?. I doubt Aeroflot will be coming back without EU transit pax, but Hainan, CZ (From Shenzhen) and CA have resumed flights to Moscow, I think Pre covid there was up to 2 daily MU (Shanghai, Xi'an) and 2 daily CZ (Shenzhen, Guangzhou and Wuhan) flights to Moscow in the warmer months.

Moscow was canceled years ago. While the 2018 world cup period, Hong Kong Airlines had flights to SVO, and the low yield is a no for HX to continue. I strongly doubt if CX is going to have any Moscow now as even if S7 is out of the alliance.


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