So much for SFO...
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It will be an interesting new world.
US has banned Chinese airlines from coming to USA starting June 16. US also cancelled Hong Kong's special status and see Hong Kong as part of China in one country one system last week.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/reu...hina-1.5596578
So if we combined those two. It may effect Hong Kong's Cathay Pacific to be able to fly to USA after June 16
US has banned Chinese airlines from coming to USA starting June 16. US also cancelled Hong Kong's special status and see Hong Kong as part of China in one country one system last week.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/reu...hina-1.5596578
So if we combined those two. It may effect Hong Kong's Cathay Pacific to be able to fly to USA after June 16
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Mwaa, the guy is on war with some 60+% of his own countries' population, putting the whole country on fire, ehhh, civil war. And the guy is even on war with about the whole world.
And now, raising his "promised" walls -after the physical one failed 100%- by raising traffic restrictions.
In the meantime, the Covid-19 virus spread in the USA is not getting lower and due to lessening the contact restrictions will fuel up a second wave of Covid-19 infections. So, I certainly can understand China (and the rest of the world), do not want to see infected US people arrive.
Looks to me, this is going to end in a huge disaster for the US population.
Same, same with other countries, where populist Bokitos managed to become head of state (Brazil, UK, Russia, to name a few).
And now, raising his "promised" walls -after the physical one failed 100%- by raising traffic restrictions.
In the meantime, the Covid-19 virus spread in the USA is not getting lower and due to lessening the contact restrictions will fuel up a second wave of Covid-19 infections. So, I certainly can understand China (and the rest of the world), do not want to see infected US people arrive.
Looks to me, this is going to end in a huge disaster for the US population.
Same, same with other countries, where populist Bokitos managed to become head of state (Brazil, UK, Russia, to name a few).
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It will be an interesting new world.
US has banned Chinese airlines from coming to USA starting June 16. US also cancelled Hong Kong's special status and see Hong Kong as part of China in one country one system last week.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/reu...hina-1.5596578
So if we combined those two. It may effect Hong Kong's Cathay Pacific to be able to fly to USA after June 16
US has banned Chinese airlines from coming to USA starting June 16. US also cancelled Hong Kong's special status and see Hong Kong as part of China in one country one system last week.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/reu...hina-1.5596578
So if we combined those two. It may effect Hong Kong's Cathay Pacific to be able to fly to USA after June 16
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What's the sudden urge to fly to China? Is it because China is much safer than US now?
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2. The Five Ones policy has resulted in extremely high fares (i.e. demand is significantly in excess of supply)
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Because there is business. Overseas Chinese, especially those Chinese students may have urgent need to return to China, but flights between US and China are extremely constrained. A $6000 one-way Y from US to China is very common. Chinese airlines can do this business, but US airlines cannot. So here is the dispute.
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Because there is business. Overseas Chinese, especially those Chinese students may have urgent need to return to China, but flights between US and China are extremely constrained. A $6000 one-way Y from US to China is very common. Chinese airlines can do this business, but US airlines cannot. So here is the dispute.
US airlines chose not to participate in earlier months.
Per DOT communication, the issue is not only that US airlines can't fly to China now, but that US airlines can't fly whatever frequency and to whatever destinations they want.
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This business has been going on ever since the virus broke out.
US airlines chose not to participate in earlier months.
Per DOT communication, the issue is not only that US airlines can't fly to China now, but that US airlines can't fly whatever frequency and to whatever destinations they want.
US airlines chose not to participate in earlier months.
Per DOT communication, the issue is not only that US airlines can't fly to China now, but that US airlines can't fly whatever frequency and to whatever destinations they want.
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exactly.
China does not want to fly to more destinations in US with higher frequency, no doubt that it would not grant US arilines more destinations or higher frequency.
That DOT shuts down US-China flights is quite an empty threat to China.
China does not want to fly to more destinations in US with higher frequency, no doubt that it would not grant US arilines more destinations or higher frequency.
That DOT shuts down US-China flights is quite an empty threat to China.
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Actually it might have worked.
Up until today there is actually prerequisite for airlines to apply flights under the five ONEs policy, only those who was still flying to China on 12 Mar are eligible to apply. This is the main reason why none of the American or European airlines can apply for even that one weekly quota, as they have suspended all routes to China before that. But this part of restrictions has just been lifted today
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...KBN23B081?il=0
Under this new policy foreign airlines can also apply for one weekly frequency, but the route will be suspended for one week if there are 5 pax tested positive upon arrival. If there are more than 10 positive cases, the route will be suspended for 4 weeks.
To get back to the topic, I guess the hope for cx to restart a meaningful number of routes even on reduced schedule will be tied to how quickly the transit restrictions in hkg is relaxed further. Airlines might only cancel flights much closer to hoping rules are eased and demand are back in.
Up until today there is actually prerequisite for airlines to apply flights under the five ONEs policy, only those who was still flying to China on 12 Mar are eligible to apply. This is the main reason why none of the American or European airlines can apply for even that one weekly quota, as they have suspended all routes to China before that. But this part of restrictions has just been lifted today
.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...KBN23B081?il=0
Under this new policy foreign airlines can also apply for one weekly frequency, but the route will be suspended for one week if there are 5 pax tested positive upon arrival. If there are more than 10 positive cases, the route will be suspended for 4 weeks.
To get back to the topic, I guess the hope for cx to restart a meaningful number of routes even on reduced schedule will be tied to how quickly the transit restrictions in hkg is relaxed further. Airlines might only cancel flights much closer to hoping rules are eased and demand are back in.
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Delta and United have been trying for awhile but to no avail.
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It will be an interesting new world.
US has banned Chinese airlines from coming to USA starting June 16. US also cancelled Hong Kong's special status and see Hong Kong as part of China in one country one system last week.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/reu...hina-1.5596578
So if we combined those two. It may effect Hong Kong's Cathay Pacific to be able to fly to USA after June 16
US has banned Chinese airlines from coming to USA starting June 16. US also cancelled Hong Kong's special status and see Hong Kong as part of China in one country one system last week.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/reu...hina-1.5596578
So if we combined those two. It may effect Hong Kong's Cathay Pacific to be able to fly to USA after June 16
An important note - for this Administration, always wait until the official documentation has drawn up, otherwise, consider everything else is BS.
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For MU, PVG-LAX pencils because they have economies of scale at PVG (e.g. lots of one flight per week services). By contrast, if AA, DL, or UA were to restart LAX-PVG, it would be their ONLY passenger flight between the US and China, and they could do it once per week. Even if they were to outsource all ground handling to MU, the numbers would still suck.
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For MU, PVG-LAX pencils because they have economies of scale at PVG (e.g. lots of one flight per week services). By contrast, if AA, DL, or UA were to restart LAX-PVG, it would be their ONLY passenger flight between the US and China, and they could do it once per week. Even if they were to outsource all ground handling to MU, the numbers would still suck.
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