Compensation from delay at SIN
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Although academic, I beg to differ this.
It is true that OP is not appeared to be covered by EC261/2004. However, Canada has extended EC261/2004 through a ruling of its own to cover all EU-bound passengers from Canada, citing that passengers should be treated equally.
Given that Singapore is:
a. A Commonwealth country; and,
b. A common-law country
It is possible that Singapore is willing to to extend EC261/2004 in light of Canada's ruling. So while OP is not appeared to be covered, if OP is willing to pursue it, I bet Singapore will come up with a similar conclusion and force CX to pay up.
But again - it all depends on how OP is desperate for the compensation.
P.S. See the link if anyone is interested:
https://otc-cta.gc.ca/eng/ruling/442-c-a-2013
It is true that OP is not appeared to be covered by EC261/2004. However, Canada has extended EC261/2004 through a ruling of its own to cover all EU-bound passengers from Canada, citing that passengers should be treated equally.
Given that Singapore is:
a. A Commonwealth country; and,
b. A common-law country
It is possible that Singapore is willing to to extend EC261/2004 in light of Canada's ruling. So while OP is not appeared to be covered, if OP is willing to pursue it, I bet Singapore will come up with a similar conclusion and force CX to pay up.
But again - it all depends on how OP is desperate for the compensation.
P.S. See the link if anyone is interested:
https://otc-cta.gc.ca/eng/ruling/442-c-a-2013
Each country sets its own rules. In 2013, Canada made a decision on the existing and proposed Tariff Rules of Air Canada. Indeed found the existing tariff rules with different compensation from and to EU unreasonable and Air Canada proposed to harmonize. Canada already had in place a strict legislation on compensation. But you are right that EC261/2004 plaid a role in the compensation amount adjustment.
I don't know if Singapore has legislation imposing compensation for flights departing/arriving SIN. Hong Kong does not. Until such rules are imposed, any compensation is airline goodwill.
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I don't agree.
The Air Canada case illustrates an issue - why should passengers treated differently? Why does OP have EC261/2004 protection on the inbound but not outbound?
Despite how the law is written, I do believe that OP should be entitled for EC261/2004 compensation based on equality.
The Air Canada case illustrates an issue - why should passengers treated differently? Why does OP have EC261/2004 protection on the inbound but not outbound?
Despite how the law is written, I do believe that OP should be entitled for EC261/2004 compensation based on equality.
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I don't agree.
The Air Canada case illustrates an issue - why should passengers treated differently? Why does OP have EC261/2004 protection on the inbound but not outbound?
Despite how the law is written, I do believe that OP should be entitled for EC261/2004 compensation based on equality.
The Air Canada case illustrates an issue - why should passengers treated differently? Why does OP have EC261/2004 protection on the inbound but not outbound?
Despite how the law is written, I do believe that OP should be entitled for EC261/2004 compensation based on equality.
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http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/other...ve-refund.html (this is embedded in the CoCs, which I presume CAAS has to approve before Scoot got its AOC).
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singapore and hong kong for customer protection? over Li and 777's bodies.
hey its the freest economy, right (for the corporates).
hey its the freest economy, right (for the corporates).
Although academic, I beg to differ this.
It is true that OP is not appeared to be covered by EC261/2004. However, Canada has extended EC261/2004 through a ruling of its own to cover all EU-bound passengers from Canada, citing that passengers should be treated equally.
Given that Singapore is:
a. A Commonwealth country; and,
b. A common-law country
It is possible that Singapore is willing to to extend EC261/2004 in light of Canada's ruling. So while OP is not appeared to be covered, if OP is willing to pursue it, I bet Singapore will come up with a similar conclusion and force CX to pay up.
But again - it all depends on how OP is desperate for the compensation.
P.S. See the link if anyone is interested:
https://otc-cta.gc.ca/eng/ruling/442-c-a-2013
It is true that OP is not appeared to be covered by EC261/2004. However, Canada has extended EC261/2004 through a ruling of its own to cover all EU-bound passengers from Canada, citing that passengers should be treated equally.
Given that Singapore is:
a. A Commonwealth country; and,
b. A common-law country
It is possible that Singapore is willing to to extend EC261/2004 in light of Canada's ruling. So while OP is not appeared to be covered, if OP is willing to pursue it, I bet Singapore will come up with a similar conclusion and force CX to pay up.
But again - it all depends on how OP is desperate for the compensation.
P.S. See the link if anyone is interested:
https://otc-cta.gc.ca/eng/ruling/442-c-a-2013
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I fly a lot between Hong Kong and Singapore. Delays are quite often as both are very busy airports. Departure or arrival can take extra 30 -45 minutes queuing for take-off or flying holding patterns upon arrival.
Rather than laying off staff , cutting housing allowance....they could save a lot more and receive far lesser compensation requests by just increasing the MCT....having an unrealistic MCT does nothing to enhance your business....it just leads to more and more abuses.
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Rather than laying off staff , cutting housing allowance....they could save a lot more and receive far lesser compensation requests by just increasing the MCT....having an unrealistic MCT does nothing to enhance your business....it just leads to more and more abuses.
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it is going a very long shot to say all commonwealth ruling would apply to another jurisdiction. Inciting others to incite more public disorder hasnt been ruled (un)constitutional just yet. this would then be a good approximation on whether commonwealth ruling can apply in hong kong, or singapore with some approximation.
Somewhat back on topic, we dont even know if we can apply UK Court rulings on EC261 on the civil courts in HK.
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I fly a lot between Hong Kong and Singapore. Delays are quite often as both are very busy airports. Departure or arrival can take extra 30 -45 minutes queuing for take-off or flying holding patterns upon arrival.
Rather than laying off staff , cutting housing allowance....they could save a lot more and receive far lesser compensation requests by just increasing the MCT....having an unrealistic MCT does nothing to enhance your business....it just leads to more and more abuses.
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Rather than laying off staff , cutting housing allowance....they could save a lot more and receive far lesser compensation requests by just increasing the MCT....having an unrealistic MCT does nothing to enhance your business....it just leads to more and more abuses.
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Outbound, i am typically on 716 and that gives a decent buffer for the midnight bank ex-HKG. 636 connects to many for half of the year, but I've taken that (to connect) just the one time to SFO and it ended up ok. I've also seen them prioritise 716 a couple of times..HKG ops recovering from a typhoon and everything ex SIN wasdelayed- everything except 716..twice.
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Given the choice, transfer through LHR anytime over CDG...
With 2 day flights to LHR, I wonder why CX didn't put you via LHR and connect with OW partner BA to MAN.
CDG is horrible for connections.
With 2 day flights to LHR, I wonder why CX didn't put you via LHR and connect with OW partner BA to MAN.
CDG is horrible for connections.
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For Hong Kong, LKS, 777 or not, the Basic Law has been
"guaranteed" for equality before the law. The matter is not how LKS or 777 has the influence, but if the Court is willing to do so.
It depends. If ECJ has a ruling on the matter, Hong Kong will follow ECJ as soon it does not contravene with the existing Hong Kong laws. Otherwise, the UK Court rulings will (and should) be followed on all EC261 matters.
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its been a while since a saw an equal court in hk.
hk police force was beaten citizens up and lying in court before a video and doj hadnt done anything.
uo had been cheating all along and cad hadnt done anything.
even then the govt ignores the basic law.
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I think this thread has run its course.
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