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Old Oct 4, 2017 | 10:06 pm
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Originally Posted by garykung
Although academic, I beg to differ this.

It is true that OP is not appeared to be covered by EC261/2004. However, Canada has extended EC261/2004 through a ruling of its own to cover all EU-bound passengers from Canada, citing that passengers should be treated equally.

Given that Singapore is:

a. A Commonwealth country; and,

b. A common-law country

It is possible that Singapore is willing to to extend EC261/2004 in light of Canada's ruling. So while OP is not appeared to be covered, if OP is willing to pursue it, I bet Singapore will come up with a similar conclusion and force CX to pay up.

But again - it all depends on how OP is desperate for the compensation.

P.S. See the link if anyone is interested:

https://otc-cta.gc.ca/eng/ruling/442-c-a-2013
Your wording is a bit inappropriate.
Each country sets its own rules. In 2013, Canada made a decision on the existing and proposed Tariff Rules of Air Canada. Indeed found the existing tariff rules with different compensation from and to EU unreasonable and Air Canada proposed to harmonize. Canada already had in place a strict legislation on compensation. But you are right that EC261/2004 plaid a role in the compensation amount adjustment.

I don't know if Singapore has legislation imposing compensation for flights departing/arriving SIN. Hong Kong does not. Until such rules are imposed, any compensation is airline goodwill.
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Old Oct 4, 2017 | 11:42 pm
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Originally Posted by brunos
Your wording is a bit inappropriate.
I don't agree.

The Air Canada case illustrates an issue - why should passengers treated differently? Why does OP have EC261/2004 protection on the inbound but not outbound?

Despite how the law is written, I do believe that OP should be entitled for EC261/2004 compensation based on equality.
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Old Oct 4, 2017 | 11:54 pm
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Originally Posted by garykung
I don't agree.

The Air Canada case illustrates an issue - why should passengers treated differently? Why does OP have EC261/2004 protection on the inbound but not outbound?

Despite how the law is written, I do believe that OP should be entitled for EC261/2004 compensation based on equality.
People in China should also be able to vote for their government based on equality but its not going to happen.
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Old Oct 5, 2017 | 12:15 am
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People in China should also be able to vote for their government based on equality but its not going to happen.
This is way off topic. As a Mod, I am sure you know it.

Just to put this matter to a stop - FWIW, not everyone in the world get to vote for their government.
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Old Oct 5, 2017 | 8:30 am
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Originally Posted by brunos
I don't know if Singapore has legislation imposing compensation for flights departing/arriving SIN.
Singapore is the one place I know where the civil aviation authority allows airlines flagged there to get away with more than HK

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/other...ve-refund.html (this is embedded in the CoCs, which I presume CAAS has to approve before Scoot got its AOC).
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singapore and hong kong for customer protection? over Li and 777's bodies.
hey its the freest economy, right (for the corporates).
Originally Posted by garykung
Although academic, I beg to differ this.

It is true that OP is not appeared to be covered by EC261/2004. However, Canada has extended EC261/2004 through a ruling of its own to cover all EU-bound passengers from Canada, citing that passengers should be treated equally.

Given that Singapore is:

a. A Commonwealth country; and,

b. A common-law country

It is possible that Singapore is willing to to extend EC261/2004 in light of Canada's ruling. So while OP is not appeared to be covered, if OP is willing to pursue it, I bet Singapore will come up with a similar conclusion and force CX to pay up.

But again - it all depends on how OP is desperate for the compensation.

P.S. See the link if anyone is interested:

https://otc-cta.gc.ca/eng/ruling/442-c-a-2013
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Old Oct 6, 2017 | 2:27 am
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I fly a lot between Hong Kong and Singapore. Delays are quite often as both are very busy airports. Departure or arrival can take extra 30 -45 minutes queuing for take-off or flying holding patterns upon arrival.

Rather than laying off staff , cutting housing allowance....they could save a lot more and receive far lesser compensation requests by just increasing the MCT....having an unrealistic MCT does nothing to enhance your business....it just leads to more and more abuses.

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Originally Posted by garykung
This is way off topic. As a Mod, I am sure you know it.

Just to put this matter to a stop - FWIW, not everyone in the world get to vote for their government.
EC261 according to its rule is only for EU airlines and all flights leaving the EU as it is clearly stated that is by their ruling.

it is going a very long shot to say all commonwealth ruling would apply to another jurisdiction. Inciting others to incite more public disorder hasnt been ruled (un)constitutional just yet. this would then be a good approximation on whether commonwealth ruling can apply in hong kong, or singapore with some approximation.

Somewhat back on topic, we dont even know if we can apply UK Court rulings on EC261 on the civil courts in HK.
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Old Oct 6, 2017 | 5:32 am
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Originally Posted by Audio
I fly a lot between Hong Kong and Singapore. Delays are quite often as both are very busy airports. Departure or arrival can take extra 30 -45 minutes queuing for take-off or flying holding patterns upon arrival.

Rather than laying off staff , cutting housing allowance....they could save a lot more and receive far lesser compensation requests by just increasing the MCT....having an unrealistic MCT does nothing to enhance your business....it just leads to more and more abuses.

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To be honest, I am one who frequently relies on 50-60 min connections in HKG to SIN. And I think that is a pretty solid selling point, especially to North America. I know I'm jinxing myself here- but I had an issue just the one time- for a regional flight- and I just rushed to the airport early to make the earlier CX flight to HkG & my connection. Was a better case than the OP's since it wasn't a rolling delay.

Outbound, i am typically on 716 and that gives a decent buffer for the midnight bank ex-HKG. 636 connects to many for half of the year, but I've taken that (to connect) just the one time to SFO and it ended up ok. I've also seen them prioritise 716 a couple of times..HKG ops recovering from a typhoon and everything ex SIN wasdelayed- everything except 716..twice.
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Given the choice, transfer through LHR anytime over CDG...

With 2 day flights to LHR, I wonder why CX didn't put you via LHR and connect with OW partner BA to MAN.

CDG is horrible for connections.
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Old Oct 9, 2017 | 1:36 am
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Originally Posted by Guy Betsy
Given the choice, transfer through LHR anytime over CDG...

With 2 day flights to LHR, I wonder why CX didn't put you via LHR and connect with OW partner BA to MAN.

CDG is horrible for connections.
LHR-MAN on BA cost more than flybe.
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Old Oct 9, 2017 | 3:18 am
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Originally Posted by kaka
singapore and hong kong for customer protection? over Li and 777's bodies.
hey its the freest economy, right (for the corporates).
No comment for Singapore as the country is mostly government-owned.

For Hong Kong, LKS, 777 or not, the Basic Law has been
"guaranteed" for equality before the law. The matter is not how LKS or 777 has the influence, but if the Court is willing to do so.

Originally Posted by kaka
it is going a very long shot to say all commonwealth ruling would apply to another jurisdiction.
I am not saying this will be a easy job. However, it has merits.

Originally Posted by kaka
Somewhat back on topic, we dont even know if we can apply UK Court rulings on EC261 on the civil courts in HK.
It depends. If ECJ has a ruling on the matter, Hong Kong will follow ECJ as soon it does not contravene with the existing Hong Kong laws. Otherwise, the UK Court rulings will (and should) be followed on all EC261 matters.
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Old Oct 9, 2017 | 7:01 am
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Originally Posted by garykung
For Hong Kong, LKS, 777 or not, the Basic Law has been
"guaranteed" for equality before the law. The matter is not how LKS or 777 has the influence, but if the Court is willing to do so.
Ha ha ha

its been a while since a saw an equal court in hk.

hk police force was beaten citizens up and lying in court before a video and doj hadnt done anything.

uo had been cheating all along and cad hadnt done anything.

even then the govt ignores the basic law.
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Old Oct 9, 2017 | 7:19 am
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I think this thread has run its course.

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