CX Suspends DUS services
Sep 12, 2017, 4:24 am
#2
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really sad to hear that myself. With AB gone soon + this, choices are really not great out of Berlin or any other non-Frankfurt german city.
Sep 12, 2017, 7:18 am
#5
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CX needs some 787-8s to make these secondary routes work with the yield it needs. There will be higher yield demand for a nonstop to HKG from these kind of places, but A359 is just too big and CX doesn't have the cost base or geographic advantage to compete against the ME4 for the lower yield connecting traffic
Sep 12, 2017, 7:34 am
#6
Join Date: Aug 2011
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CX needs some 787-8s to make these secondary routes work with the yield it needs. There will be higher yield demand for a nonstop to HKG from these kind of places, but A359 is just too big and CX doesn't have the cost base or geographic advantage to compete against the ME4 for the lower yield connecting traffic
They are launching in Christchurch this year
zero advertising, no one knows who Cathay is here
CZ on the other hand has adverts everywhere, and did roadshows in the malls...
Plane Size is not why CX is losing.. Look at Auckland CX used to fly 10 times a week year round, now it has declined to daily
Sep 12, 2017, 11:05 am
#7
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Really a pity, but will fly this route as much as possible before termination.
The All Nippon/Lufthansa joint stronghold on German and Japanese corporate customers might have played a role.
However, DUS flyers will notice the Air Berlin downfall soon enough as Lufthansa and allies are able to change quasi monopoly prices once again. Let's see id other chance opens up for CX...
The All Nippon/Lufthansa joint stronghold on German and Japanese corporate customers might have played a role.
However, DUS flyers will notice the Air Berlin downfall soon enough as Lufthansa and allies are able to change quasi monopoly prices once again. Let's see id other chance opens up for CX...
Sep 12, 2017, 3:16 pm
#8
Join Date: Dec 2011
Programs: Marco Polo
Posts: 15
Too bad as DUS has been my base for the last 5 years. I was really happy when CX opened this route as I no longer needed to fight my way to Frankfurt Airport and back with Delayed Bahn. The pricing is also decent where I can often find DUS-HKG by EUR1-1.2k for PE (lower than that you only get Aeroflot). Even managed to get DUS-HKG-SGN by a crazy price of EUR800. I liked the A350 much better than 777 as well.
But my general impression is also that load on this route is light outside of peak days (Easter, Christmas, start/end of German school holidays), especially in J. I usually fly PE on this route and chances of being oped up were pretty high on those peak days. While on the other days, not even Y was full. My last flight in June back from HKG had only 3 other fellow passengers in PE. Without the feeder flights from AB, I can imagine that the situation can only get worse.
But my general impression is also that load on this route is light outside of peak days (Easter, Christmas, start/end of German school holidays), especially in J. I usually fly PE on this route and chances of being oped up were pretty high on those peak days. While on the other days, not even Y was full. My last flight in June back from HKG had only 3 other fellow passengers in PE. Without the feeder flights from AB, I can imagine that the situation can only get worse.
Sep 12, 2017, 6:56 pm
#10
Join Date: Aug 2017
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It is agreed that termination is expected, but the exact date of termination is the key issue. Finally, the termination date is finalized, and mentioned by OP (25 MAR 2018).
I agree that closing of DUS is a pity as it is the cheapest business and PEY fare from Western Europe, (Compared to CDG, FRA, AMS, ZRH)
For ex-DUS travellers, I would expect a substitute for Oneworld will be a codeshare with BA via LHR. Codeshare with LH group is another feasible option but details are to be confirmed later.
Rail service from DUS to BRU, FRA, or AMS will work as well, I think the train segments is generally less than 2 hours, even though it can be more than 1 train segment to BRU, FRA, or AMS.
Although it is true that Liege or East Belgium can have Zaventem as a substitute, the proportion will not be much.
I agree that closing of DUS is a pity as it is the cheapest business and PEY fare from Western Europe, (Compared to CDG, FRA, AMS, ZRH)
For ex-DUS travellers, I would expect a substitute for Oneworld will be a codeshare with BA via LHR. Codeshare with LH group is another feasible option but details are to be confirmed later.
Rail service from DUS to BRU, FRA, or AMS will work as well, I think the train segments is generally less than 2 hours, even though it can be more than 1 train segment to BRU, FRA, or AMS.
Although it is true that Liege or East Belgium can have Zaventem as a substitute, the proportion will not be much.
Sep 12, 2017, 8:22 pm
#11
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CX needs some 787-8s to make these secondary routes work with the yield it needs. There will be higher yield demand for a nonstop to HKG from these kind of places, but A359 is just too big and CX doesn't have the cost base or geographic advantage to compete against the ME4 for the lower yield connecting traffic
Cargo is in the dumps now but the planes last 20 years...?
Sep 12, 2017, 9:02 pm
#12
Join Date: Jun 2015
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i am extremely heartbroken.. this is the perfect route for me to go home. perfect plane from passenger comfort point of view, perfect price for PEY and J for my piggy bank.
Just out of curiosity, was there other route that CX launched and then closed again so fast like DUS? If DUS proved to be a dump, why did CX launch it?
Just out of curiosity, was there other route that CX launched and then closed again so fast like DUS? If DUS proved to be a dump, why did CX launch it?
Sep 13, 2017, 12:35 am
#13
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 5,797
It is a shame but if the route isn't working well enough its better that they send the aircraft somewhere else. This is not CZ who can support unprofitable routes for the sake of it.
It was always a strange one as FRA, AMS and now BRU are all nearby, even with Air Berlin connections.
It was always a strange one as FRA, AMS and now BRU are all nearby, even with Air Berlin connections.
Sep 13, 2017, 8:06 am
#14
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i am extremely heartbroken.. this is the perfect route for me to go home. perfect plane from passenger comfort point of view, perfect price for PEY and J for my piggy bank.
Just out of curiosity, was there other route that CX launched and then closed again so fast like DUS? If DUS proved to be a dump, why did CX launch it?
Just out of curiosity, was there other route that CX launched and then closed again so fast like DUS? If DUS proved to be a dump, why did CX launch it?
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