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brunos Oct 9, 2017 8:33 am


Originally Posted by QRC3288 (Post 28908410)
....they won't recoup those costs. ;)

Although, the B787 has also been a financial disaster to-date for Boeing, despite the plane's success. There stands a good chance that plane will also be unprofitable when all is said and done (break-even will be somewhere between 1200-1500 deliveries (!!!!), and really depends on what happens with the B787-10). The problem was massive over-promise by Boeing on tech that wasn't ready, and subsequently massive delays. Boeing management spent a decade doing a public victory lap for the B777 vs A380 win (and a win it was) - I've sat front row to some of these boasts / self-back patting in mid-2000s - but it quietly let Airbus go into crisis mode and develop a super plane in the A350. Airbus was humbled by the fateful decision of the A380 and to their credit, they developed a helluva platform in the A350, without all the bragging of Boeing - and huge financial hole Boeing dug for itself with the B787 - about winning the "twins vs quads" VLA argument. While Boeing was busy back-slapping themselves they really screwed up the beginning of the B787 program, and at the same time (perhaps not really discussed here, but quite real) essentially lost the narrowbody aircraft battle to Airbus. Airbus' A320neo and A321 platform have just crushed Boeing lately, with something like 2/3 of narrows order in favor of Airbus. This segment isn't necessarily talked about here because only KA has narrowbodies, but Boeing really blew it here. Tip my cap to Airbus.

Anyyway, keeping this ostensibly about the A350..the biggest different in the A350 vs B787 is going to profitability. The former is going to be a financial home-run. The latter is going to be lucky to break even, despite both planes' operating success. And our beloved CX is damn lucky to have the delivery slots they do for the A359.

And what surprised a lot of people, even Airbus, is that the A330 still has a lot of orders.
What also surprised the industry is how fast the A350 became operational with little hiccups (except for an equipment company, namely Zodiac)

rienhart87 Oct 9, 2017 11:48 pm

I had the pleasure to fly on B-LRR again last Sunday. She seems to be sent to CGK very often lately particularly Saturdays and Sundays.

Anyway, this time i sat on 15A. Lo and behold, recline function was broken (recline function stop half way) so you could only be in lounge position but not sleeping. Arm rest also failed to pop up.

Pointed it out to SP and SP said that to his best knowledge B-LRR is next to be sent to hangar for immediate fix. Not sure what he meant by 'next to be sent to hangar' (how soon is next) but I really hope CX and Zodiac are really fixing this once and for all.

gpia Oct 9, 2017 11:53 pm


Originally Posted by rienhart87 (Post 28914053)
Anyway, this time i sat on 15A. Lo and behold, recline function was broken (recline function stop half way) so you could only be in lounge position but not sleeping. Arm rest also failed to pop up.

Had the same issues last week on a 350, but in 16K. Arm rest wouldn't come up by itself, but could be extracted manually by pulling hard. Recline would stop half way and then go back as if the mechanism was hitting some sort of safety stop. Some gymnastics helped - the seat would go down all the way with only half a buttcheek in the seat :rolleyes:

Edit, thanks FR24: It was B-LRI

CX30616 Oct 10, 2017 12:57 pm


Originally Posted by gpia (Post 28914069)
Had the same issues last week on a 350, but in 16K. Arm rest wouldn't come up by itself, but could be extracted manually by pulling hard. Recline would stop half way and then go back as if the mechanism was hitting some sort of safety stop. Some gymnastics helped - the seat would go down all the way with only half a buttcheek in the seat :rolleyes:

Edit, thanks FR24: It was B-LRI

I think the problem is about the seat itself... Have experienced the reclining problems with 359, 77W, and 333, luckily there was empty seat for me to sleep. Hope they will be fixed soon

mspfan100 Oct 12, 2017 4:37 am

Hello there, I was wondering if someone might assist.


My wife and I are planning to travel LON - HKG - AKL on the A350 in business. We will be accompanied by a 6m old toddler sitting on lap.


Couple of questions:


- which seats would you recommend?
- BA provides carrycots for the bassinets on a first come first served basis. Does Cathay provide carrycots or is the bassinet a cot.
- does anyone know which toilets in business (if any) have the changing table so we might sit near there in case of a nappy explosion.


Many thanks.

rienhart87 Oct 12, 2017 9:36 pm

the bassinet seats are 12A and 12K so i think you and your wife could reserve 12A and 12 D or 12G and 12K. I have not seen how the bassinet is set up in the business class cabin but in premium economy and economy, it's basically a fold-down table attached on the bulkhead. As far as I know, Cathay does provide the cot. So the FA will lower down the bassinet table and then place the cot. After that, it will be strapped for safety.

Perhaps other more experienced flyers can share more or correct me?

gpia Oct 13, 2017 1:56 am


Originally Posted by mspfan100 (Post 28923274)
Hello there, I was wondering if someone might assist.


My wife and I are planning to travel LON - HKG - AKL on the A350 in business. We will be accompanied by a 6m old toddler sitting on lap.


Couple of questions:


- which seats would you recommend?
- BA provides carrycots for the bassinets on a first come first served basis. Does Cathay provide carrycots or is the bassinet a cot.
- does anyone know which toilets in business (if any) have the changing table so we might sit near there in case of a nappy explosion.


Many thanks.

I am not sure what you mean by carrycot...but CX's look similar to what BA provides, at least from what I can see on google.

As mentioned, 12A and 12K are the bassinet seats. CX will provide you with a separate cot that is kind of mounted onto the empty space in front of the seat. That is why I personally choose the combination 12A+11D or 12K+11G. Due to the cabin layout, the seats are not exactly aligned anyhow but at least this way, you'll have one side of the entire "front" of the cabin to yourselves.

I *believe* the changing table is in the 12A bathroom as 12K bathroom has a window. Would be happy to confirm this next week, if no one else can in the meantime. Then again, you would only need to cross the (spacious) galley to either side, no big deal at all.

QRC3288 Oct 29, 2017 5:53 am

illustrious start to CX's A350 expansion to the USA and Australia.

All first flights for 35G today:
*CX890 to EWR, scheduled for 6pm, is just leaving now 90+ minutes late.
*CX892 to SFO, scheduled for 6:45pm, hasn't left yet (60+ minutes late and counting).
*CX135 to MEL, scheduled for 7:05pm, is 60 minutes late and counting.

No weather issues or anything, entirely CX-specific.

I am always amazed when issues like this emerge. Obviously the first time in a new rotation and a ton of spare frames, you think you'd be able to get it right? 35G has been flying around Asia in spades short-haul waiting for these long-haul routes to launch today.

(PER went out on time in the afternoon.)

lionelhutz Oct 30, 2017 4:16 pm


Originally Posted by QRC3288 (Post 28990072)
illustrious start to CX's A350 expansion to the USA and Australia.

All first flights for 35G today:
*CX890 to EWR, scheduled for 6pm, is just leaving now 90+ minutes late.
*CX892 to SFO, scheduled for 6:45pm, hasn't left yet (60+ minutes late and counting).
*CX135 to MEL, scheduled for 7:05pm, is 60 minutes late and counting.

No weather issues or anything, entirely CX-specific.

Well, you know what they say, start as you mean to continue... :p

Looks like CX135 got out about 50 minutes late, which is not that bad. Delays are occasional on HKG-MEL, usually due to late arrival of incoming aircraft. Don't think it has anything to do with whether its an A350 or A330. Also looks like the Monday night flight was right on time!

CX30616 Oct 31, 2017 7:26 pm


Originally Posted by LHR/MEL/Europe FF (Post 28763339)
Hi all, would appreciate some advice.

I'm looking to take my first ever A350 flight (on any airline) and was looking at the CX flight out of BKK to HKG.

I am booking though Avios and have the choice of PE or J. The difference is about 3000 avios.

I have been on CX's business many times, and would rather have the 'experience' of what the A350 has to offer rather than get on and snooze.

Would you recommend PE or J? I thought PE would give me the opportunity to try the new seats and even to walk through the plane on my way to the WCs etc.

Thoughts? Or is biz class so good that I should try that?

For BKK-HKG, after the meal service you still have around 40-50 minutes to walk through or take a nap.

LHR/MEL/Europe FF Nov 1, 2017 2:29 am


Originally Posted by CX30616 (Post 29001589)
For BKK-HKG, after the meal service you still have around 40-50 minutes to walk through or take a nap.

Thanks.

Ended up going for PE, although a couple days after booking the aircraft was changed and scored a free upgrade to biz class. But now TG has introduced their A350s to MEL so will get to try it then.

boybi Nov 1, 2017 9:07 pm

Why is there no B-LRH?

maortega15 Nov 1, 2017 9:14 pm


Originally Posted by boybi (Post 29006830)
Why is there no B-LRH?

B-LRH and B-LRW are already registered as biz jets.

1010101 Nov 1, 2017 10:19 pm

Anyone know what happened to LRF? It's flying around with a big panel of some sort taped to its nose.

G-CIVC Nov 6, 2017 12:23 am

Per a local forum, it seems that CX was a bit optimistic on the plane hitting EWR. Seems like there was a recent 899 that flew back with an empty belly (all bags offloaded)!

(feeling happy about anything that hints at lesser chance of ORD getting 350...hehehe)


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