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Dr. HFH Apr 17, 2017 5:04 pm


Originally Posted by maortega15 (Post 28177186)
It's real nice that the A350 can fly at an altitude of 35-37000 feet initially to avoid most of the weather below.

I just flew in a QR 359 BOS-DOH at 41,000 feet.

Reading through the menu, -- "Valrhona choco mousse"? Are they trying to save money on ink by omitting -"late"?

boybi Apr 17, 2017 8:47 pm

Finally flew the A350 HKG-FCO.

My impressions of the aircraft (seated in 15D/G):

- the thumping of the foot on the aisle floor is very loud, compared to the B777.
- didn't notice the effect of the cabin pressure/humidity between the 350 and 777 (flew the 77H back (MXP-HKG)
- the seats really looked worn-out. The arm rest on my seat needs a lot of force to be raised or lowered.
- I can't imagine seating in 11D/G. the toilet doors opens toward those seats.
- there's kerosene smell during take off. Is this common across all Airbus aircraft? (didn't smell this in the A330 though)

1010101 Apr 17, 2017 9:09 pm


Originally Posted by 24left (Post 28188115)
I can guarantee all of you that even if Airbus and Boeing specs say that there is higher humidity and therefore pax will feel less fatigue, drying etc on the 350 and 787 series of aircraft, I have now spent more than 2 years flying over 50 flights on AC's 788s and 789s almost all TPAC, a few TATL and about 20+ transcons, and I do not notice any difference between those and AC's 777 fleet.

In conversations with crew, it seems just as many say the don't feel any difference as those who say there is one.

I think that even if the design should make thing more comfortable onboard in-flight, not everyone responds to different atmospheric conditions the same way. If they did, then there wouldn't be a vocal number who say there is no difference.

I would offer that some of the comfort on these aircraft may also involve the cabin temperature. If exceedingly hot or cold, pax will be too uncomfortable either way to notice better humidity.

just saying......

I find the 787 is a little overhyped. It's nicer than a 747/777 but its not as quiet or comfortable as the latest generation Airbus aircraft. I hear from pilots flying it that the A380 is actually too quiet, you can't hear the engines from the flight deck.

henryc41 Apr 17, 2017 10:31 pm

Anyone knows the config of the A350-1041s?

maortega15 Apr 17, 2017 10:47 pm


Originally Posted by henryc41 (Post 28193821)
Anyone knows the config of the A350-1041s?

50 - J
30 - Y+
250 - Y
Total - 330

Same seats in Y+ and J while Y gets a different manufacturer.

winnipegrev Apr 17, 2017 11:34 pm


Originally Posted by maortega15 (Post 28193870)
50 - J
30 - Y+
250 - Y
Total - 330

Same seats in Y+ and J while Y gets a different manufacturer.

Has this been posted in a news article online, heard from an employee or are you just referencing wikipedia? It's not cited on there so I'm wondering if it's been finalized.

maortega15 Apr 17, 2017 11:54 pm


Originally Posted by winnipegrev (Post 28194012)
Has this been posted in a news article online, heard from an employee or are you just referencing wikipedia? It's not cited on there so I'm wondering if it's been finalized.

Well, I am an employee if that helps. ;) And it was posted a while back on the A350 production page but was taken down.

qsh Apr 18, 2017 1:05 am


Originally Posted by maortega15 (Post 28193870)
haeco-to-launch-vector-economy-seat-on-cathays-a350-1000
Y gets a different manufacturer.

Interesting to see CX installing different economy seats on their two flagship planes and not opting for HAECO on 777.

"777 10 abreast to get Recaro seats"
https://www.ausbt.com.au/cathay-paci...-seat-due-2018

1010101 Apr 18, 2017 2:40 am


Originally Posted by qsh (Post 28194238)
Interesting to see CX installing different economy seats on their two flagship planes and not opting for HAECO on 777.

"777 10 abreast to get Recaro seats"
https://www.ausbt.com.au/cathay-paci...-seat-due-2018

10 abreast will be quite a squeeze for the seats/aisles as well as the passenger. I expect the decision to split suppliers is down to trying to fit 10 across on the 777, the Recaro seat is only 17.2" wide. The HAECO seat might not fit. The basic Vector Y seat is 19" wide including an inch of armrest each side.

bart simpson Apr 18, 2017 3:43 am


Originally Posted by 1010101 (Post 28194454)
10 abreast will be quite a squeeze for the seats/aisles as well as the passenger. I expect the decision to split suppliers is down to trying to fit 10 across on the 777, the Recaro seat is only 17.2" wide. The HAECO seat might not fit. The basic Vector Y seat is 19" wide including an inch of armrest each side.


Soon the CX/KA fleet will be as complicated as the current SQ fleet

First Class
Product 1: 77H
Product 2: 33R (regional)

Business Class
Product 1: 351, 359
Product 2: 33E, 33K, 77G, 77H
Product 3: 320, 321, 33C, 33P, 33R, 772, 73Z (regional)
Product 4: new KA planes (regional)

Premium Economy Class
Product 1: 351, 359
Product 2: 33K, 77G, 77H

Economy Class
Product 1: 351
Product 2: 359
Product 3: 33C, 33E, 33K, 33R, 772, 77G, 77H (mix of regional and long-haul)
Product 4: new B777-300ER long haul jets
Product 5: 321, 33P, 73Z (regional)
Product 6: 320 (regional)
Product 7: new KA planes (regional)

Wow! This is crazy as at one point, there will be 7 different types of economy seats in the whole fleet!

Back in 2012, CX standardises all seats into two main types only: regional and long-haul. The retrofit speed was rapid (which is much much faster and better than SQ). However soon, we will see a great variety of different seats again.

henryc41 Apr 18, 2017 4:27 am


Originally Posted by maortega15 (Post 28193870)
50 - J
30 - Y+
250 - Y
Total - 330

Same seats in Y+ and J while Y gets a different manufacturer.

Thanks, do you know the reg no. for those new -1041s?

sscywong Apr 18, 2017 7:29 am


Originally Posted by bart simpson (Post 28194602)
Soon the CX/KA fleet will be as complicated as the current SQ fleet

First Class
Product 1: 77H
Product 2: 33R (regional)

Business Class
Product 1: 351, 359
Product 2: 33E, 33K, 77G, 77H
Product 3: 320, 321, 33C, 33P, 33R, 772, 73Z (regional)
Product 4: new KA planes (regional)

Premium Economy Class
Product 1: 351, 359
Product 2: 33K, 77G, 77H

Economy Class
Product 1: 351
Product 2: 359
Product 3: 33C, 33E, 33K, 33R, 772, 77G, 77H (mix of regional and long-haul)
Product 4: new B777-300ER long haul jets
Product 5: 321, 33P, 73Z (regional)
Product 6: 320 (regional)
Product 7: new KA planes (regional)

Wow! This is crazy as at one point, there will be 7 different types of economy seats in the whole fleet!

Back in 2012, CX standardises all seats into two main types only: regional and long-haul. The retrofit speed was rapid (which is much much faster and better than SQ). However soon, we will see a great variety of different seats again.

But at least FB2 and FB2.5 are sort of the same to most passengers... So for long haul J it's still one same kind of product.... until 77X arrives... where F will also get a new version

Granted CX doesn't have the luxury of scrapping all the current seats and replacing them all as few years ago due to... money, money and money, but if they are not distinctly far away like regional J v.s. long haul J things should not be too bad (like I never heard anyone complaint or have strong preference on the Y seats on the new 320 v.s. the existing "new Y")

p.s. KA 321 uses existing "new Y" seats, not the fixed back shell Y

winnipegrev Apr 18, 2017 6:06 pm


Originally Posted by maortega15 (Post 28194068)
Well, I am an employee if that helps. ;) And it was posted a while back on the A350 production page but was taken down.

Wow that is almost as many J seats as a 77H. Doesn't sound like a good aircraft for opening new markets then, but perhaps a good replacement of weak-F routes like BOS, ORD or certain destinations like LHR, LAX and JFK which may benefit from keeping lots of J seating but adding more Y in place of some daily F frequencies.

maortega15 Apr 18, 2017 7:24 pm


Originally Posted by winnipegrev (Post 28197924)
Wow that is almost as many J seats as a 77H. Doesn't sound like a good aircraft for opening new markets then, but perhaps a good replacement of weak-F routes like BOS, ORD or certain destinations like LHR, LAX and JFK which may benefit from keeping lots of J seating but adding more Y in place of some daily F frequencies.

Well they did announce that they were going to nix F in favor of a bigger J cabin.

gear down Apr 19, 2017 7:59 am

LRA is undergoing a replacement of business class which will, hopefully, address the issues that are plaguing the 350 fleet


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